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To: NYer; Athena1; suzyjaruki; Uncle Chip
Your entire post is founded on an error...

No sin or anything tainted with sin can stand in the face of the holiness of God

Does the Holy Spirit indwell you? Have you stopped committing all sin in your life? Are you sinless today, or have you been forgiven of today's, yesterday's and tomorrow's sins through Christ on the cross?

"Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory" -- Colossians 1:26-27

Mary was a human being, a sinner in need of a Savior just like the rest of us. She was graced by God to be the human means for Christ's physical birth.

And once Christ was born, she had "Christ within her" in exactly the same manner you and I and all Christians have, by the grace of God alone.

Fini.

352 posted on 10/12/2007 12:27:18 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
They have to believe in Mary's immaculate birth, her bodily assumption into heaven, her salvation of souls and all the rest of it, as declared in the old tradition of 1950 Munificentissimus Deus by pope Pius XII:, or be labeled heretics and kicked out of the Catholic church. Believe the Pope, not God. Hmmm, the pope or God? the Pope or God? What part of this do you not understand, lol
353 posted on 10/12/2007 12:37:43 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; stfassisi; Athena1; suzyjaruki; Uncle Chip
Mary was a human being, a sinner in need of a Savior just like the rest of us.

Like all other descendants of Adam, she was subject to the necessity of contracting original sin. But by a special intervention of God, undertaken at the instant she was conceived, she was preserved from the stain of original sin and its consequences. She was therefore redeemed by the grace of Christ, but in a special way—by anticipation. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings. Hence, the angel's greeting: "Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with you" (Luke 1:28).

359 posted on 10/12/2007 1:48:58 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; NYer; Athena1
From another article posted this week: St. Hilary taught that Christ, who came from perfection, "is perfection," the pope said. "Assuming a human nature, the Son of God united every human being to himself."

Now we are told that Mary had to be sinless in order to have Christ united to her by a umbilical cord. Why would it be necessary for Mary to be sinless (if the statement made by Hilary and repeated by the Pope is true) when the rest of mankind can be united to Christ while still sinful?

361 posted on 10/12/2007 2:47:59 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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