Posted on 09/23/2007 3:31:18 PM PDT by Quix
Nothing hereing is intended nor designed to be an attack on any group or individual. All of us are in essentially the same boat in need of such, imho.
Some of us are more used to applying these Scriptures in literal functional ways than others. But I suspect all of us could do better regarding them.
I invite edifying growthful comments by one and all.
END TIMES PING LIST PING
Please let me know if you want on or off the list.
Bless you as you prayerfully ponder these issues.
Please contribute your spiritual and other insights on the issues in the spirit of a Charismatic Caucus.
Thanks for posting this! Forgiving and receiving forgiveness is a tremendous conduit of God’s grace to us.
I recall that it is in this context, of forgiving others, that Jesus said, “You, therefore, must be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect.”
Great points.
Thanks much.
Very nice, Q!
“Forgiveness is better than revenge” +Tikhon
What about other Charismatics?
You say “Quix” list.
I disagree with that moniker.
Either one IS a Charismatic or one IS not. Nothing about “Quix” makes one a Cahristmatic.
Perhaps the misunderstanding arose from my trying to shorten the title sufficiently to post. I originally had ‘Quix Commentary” there and took Commentary out last.
I think everyone knows I just keep the ping list.
Taking Quix out of the title would be much better, clearer, if and when convenient.
Blessings,
Nothing about “Quix” makes one a Cahristmatic
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Perhaps being sufficiently annoyed by Quix could conceivably drive someone to seeking God so much that Holy Spirit overflowed from them in urgent petitional tongues!
I think that was supposed to be “Quix’s Charismatic Caucus.” I’m quite slow, myself, but still Charismatic, in the religious if not the common sense :-).
That reminds me of an occasion after I became involved in the Charismatic Renewal, but before I received the gift of tongues. My family was at Mass - four children then, I think, and the 5th on the way - and our youngest started to get noisy. My husband took her out to the lobby. Then the next youngest started to act up, but I couldn't take him out and leave the other two (about 8 and 5) by themselves.
People all over the congregation were staring, and I put both my hands on Tom's head and started muttering, "God, strike him unconscious. God, get me out of this. God, an earthquake now would be really nice!" Nothing happened, though, except the service *finally* ended!
QUIX SAID:
I do not believe that most Christians understand forgiveness remotely sufficiently to really please God in the matter.
1. Perhaps it’s lack of Scriptural awareness.
2. Perhaps it’s a lack of prayerfulness about such Scriptures.
3. Perhaps it’s a matter of pride, ego, vain glory.
4. Perhaps it’s a matter of bad teaching.
5. Perhaps it’s a matter of denominational boundaries and blindness there-from.
6. Perhaps it’s a matter of stubbornness, rebellion, idolatry at anything less than God.
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I will add
7. Perhaps there are strongholds stopping some from forgiving.
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God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.
If God isn’t looking to condemn, who am I to withhold forgiveness? Personally, I strive to pray this often:
“In Jesus’ Name I forgive all those who have sinned against me in any way.”
Well I’ll tell you what Quix. With forgiveness should come grace...Otherwise how can one call it forgiveness? For many years I have been the victim of a so called form of forgiveness that does not include grace. Believe me that Christians can find reasons to justify being graceless to the spirit of another. And the damage from that can be enough to destroy the spirit of another. Especially if the punishment is harsh enough.
There is an angle that is often missed in all of this forgiveness stuff. And that is fear. What if you fear that the other person is going to hurt you if you give them grace? Well the modern church teaches that is justification to withhold grace. Or they teach that Grace is not an action. That is because it has become worldly and does not teach God’s love and grace as we should extend it to others.
Consider this scripture though:
“There is no fear in love because fear has to do with punishment, and perfect love drives out fear.” 1st John 4:18
The whole premise of that scripture is not taught today.
I did find this recently though. It seems that David Wilkerson gets it.
http://www.timeforrenewal.com/wmedia/2070506S3.asx
Or
http://www.timeforrenewal.com/mp3/2070506S1.mp3
A really good story that I once found:
http://www.intervarsity.org/slj/ss98/ss98_faqs_about_forgiveness.html
Am very blessed and touched by your kind post.
Thanks much.
Do you have a profound example of forgiveness acted out—from your spiritual heritage and/or personal experiences—that could be instructive for us ‘Charismaniacs?’
LOL.
Thanks.
My imagination painted a vivid pic of that scene.
Excellent points. Thanks.
**Perhaps being sufficiently annoyed by Quix could conceivably drive someone to seeking God so much that Holy Spirit overflowed from them in urgent petitional tongues!**
No, that didn’t happen. What I thought was that even in the Charismatic definiting in the topics, I don’t see “Quix.” I just laughed and thought it needed to be addressed.
For your information on the Charismatic topic list:
**Assemblies of God, pentacostalism, charismatic movement etc**
That includes Catholics who have taken part in a charismatic movement, too.
I have one word in answer to all the “perhaps”
Humility
Excellent points and links.
Thanks.
Certainly fear is a biggy in our lives . . . and the enemy tries to make it a bigger and bigger thing.
There’s growing evidence that it leads to physical illness as well as spiritual illness.
How many times is it that Scripture includes the phrase in the KJV: “FEAR NOT!”
That’s a command that we seem too often helpless to obey . . . yet—that can’t be true . . . at least God can enable us and mature us to the point where it’s not very true.
An important point and a persistent issue in Pastor Wright’s work with “incurable” diseases and healing therefrom.
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