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To: Greg F
If the Council of Trent didn’t “substantively change” theology or practice then they wouldn’t have made decrees. They could have just skipped the council altogether and announced solemnly “carry on!”

That is the kind of silly oversimplification that is born of ignorance. You must think I know nothing of Trent. Well, you are wrong. As I said, Trent put limits on what a Catholic can hold. So while transubstantiation was the dominant theology of the Church before Luther, it became the only acceptible formulation of Real Presence at Trent. Before Trent there were some 30 forms of the Mass. Trent confined the use to just one rite with some minor variations. There were no standards for ordination before Trent, afterward there were seminaries with universal standards. And on and on. And, yes, Trent condemned Protestant innovations such as sola scriptura and sola fide, both of which has never existed before 1519. So yes, it is necessary for the church to condemn heresies from time to time and that was what was new in Trent.

It still stands that the Catholic faith was not substantively changed at Trent or by Protestantism.

56 posted on 09/18/2007 12:58:55 PM PDT by jacero10 (Non nobis domine, sed nomine tuo da gloriam.)
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To: jacero10
That is the kind of silly oversimplification that is born of ignorance. That is the sort of ignorance born of oversimplification!
58 posted on 09/18/2007 1:05:32 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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To: jacero10

the Catholic faith was not substantively changed at Trent or by Protestantism.

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According to your post ordination, seminaries, transubstantiation, the mass, sola scriptura and sola fide were effected by Trent! I know what you are saying but it’s not sensible for you to claim no change when the very mass was selected from 30 alternates. It’s a pretense on your part that tradition exists as a basis for decision in the church, so that nothing ever truly changes, when they chose 1 from 30 existing traditions in the mass alone.


59 posted on 09/18/2007 1:16:46 PM PDT by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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