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To: sevenbak; svcw; Elsie; Cvengr; aMorePerfectUnion; Colofornian; Greg F; JRochelle; colorcountry; ...
Apocrypha are not in the Bible for reasons. I will leave you to play amongst the Apocrypha. Let's take your Bible verses one at a time and explore the twisting you've given to them in order to try and support your pretext of supporting the heresies taught by Joseph Smith.

When God laid the foundations of the earth, all the sons of God shouted for joy, Job 38: 4-7. First, lets put up the entire context of the mangled portion you chose for your 'special' mischaracterization purpose:
Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? ... Would these be the same 'sons of God' who went in to the daughters of men and of whom giants were born? Text without context is pretext. As I've said before to you, you take scriptures for your own special interpretation, wrongly dividing the word for your twister purposes.
The spirit shall return unto God who gave it, Eccl. 12: 7. And just how would this lifted passage prove the spirit of you existed before you were created in a body? Is a vessel imagined prior to being thrown by the potter? Yes, but the imagining is not the post in actuality. Your problem is with temporal perspective and counting, as you seek to support the heresy of Smith that the spirits of men were with God in counsel before the forming of the universe in which we live.
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee, Jer. 1: 4-5. Again, your special interpretation neglects the reality that God's perspective can 'see' you before you ever come into existence and can know your days even into eternity before He even creates you in fact of spacetime the way we sense it.
We are all his offspring, Acts 17: 28. When Jesus told Nicodemus 'yet must be born again', He was explaining to Nic (and to you since He could 'see' you would be in time some where/when) that to be the 'off-spring' of God ye must be born again, in spirit. If you are born of His Spirit, you are His off-spring.
God chose us before the foundation of the world, Eph. 1: 3-4. And since you cannot allow your heresy-instructed mind to see that God can see you even before you enter the universe, you cannot grasp the truth of this verse and have the joy He intended when He chose those who He did predestinate to be conformed into the image of His Son. The 'us' refers ONLY to those in Christ and Christ in them, by the power of the Holy Spirit of God.
We are to be in subjection to the Father of spirits, Heb. 12: 9. I can only imagine what twist you Mormons will put upon this verse taken out of the context in which it was written! It begins to be digusting in your efforts to twist the excised portion of scripture --not the whole verse for it isn't as twistable for your demonic games-- so they support Smithism heresies! Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live? Heb 12:8 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. Heb 12:10-11 12:10 For they verily for a few days chastened [us] after their own pleasure; but he for [our] profit, that [we] might be partakers of his holiness. Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
The angels which kept not their first estate, he hath reserved in everlasting chains, Jude 1: 6. Did your word search defy you here, settling upon Angels rather than upon spirits of men? How foolish to twist scriptures so blindly in service to heretical teaching by aq flase prophet!
The Devil and his angels were cast out, Rev. 12: 9. Take heed lest you suffer the same fate for seeking to elevate heresies to gospel and Smithian mischief to doctrine for salvation.

296 posted on 09/18/2007 3:54:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Defend life support for others in the womb.)
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To: MHGinTN
Apocrypha are not in the Bible for reasons.

Which bibles? There were included in the earliest versions, and are still included in many non-protestant versions, all for very good reasons.

And frankly, if Jude, the brother of Jesus thought the prophesies of Enoch were worth mentioning in the New Testament, then we should be careful before discounting his words because men several hundred years removed from Christ, thought they didn't conform to their "accepted" doctrines. There are many books taken from the original scriptures that are indeed mentioned in the scriptures themselves. We've been down that road before, but I think I'll post those following this one.

And, since you are blasting my search too, let me really give you something to blast at and pick apart.. This is a more thorough search:

Num. 16: 22 (Num. 27: 16) God of the spirits of all flesh.
Job 38: 7 all the sons of God shouted for joy.
Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Jer. 1: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.
Zech. 12: 1 Lord . . . formeth the spirit of man within him.
John 9: 2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind.
Acts 17: 28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Rom. 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.
Eph. 1: 4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
Heb. 12: 9 subjection unto the Father of spirits.
Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.
Rev. 12: 7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon.
Isa. 14: 13 exalt my throne above the stars of God.
Luke 10: 18 I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Rev. 12: 7 war in heaven.
Acts 2: 23 delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge.
Acts 17: 26 determined the times before appointed.
Rom. 8: 29 he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image.
Rom. 9: 11 purpose of God according to election.
Rom. 11: 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Gal. 3: 8 foreseeing that God would justify the heathen.
Eph. 1: 4 he hath chosen us in him before the foundation.
Eph. 1: 5 having predestinated us unto the adoption of children.
2 Thes. 2: 13 God hath from the beginning chosen you.
2 Tim. 1: 9 called us . . . before the world began.
1 Pet. 1: 2 elect according to the foreknowledge of God.
1 Pet. 1: 20 who verily was foreordained before the foundation.
Rev. 13: 8 Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Num. 16: 22 God of the spirits of all flesh.
Deut. 14: 1 Ye are the children of the Lord your God.
Job 32: 8 there is a spirit in man.
Job 33: 4 breath of the Almighty hath given me life.
Ps. 82: 6 Ye are gods . . . children of the most High.
Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Isa. 42: 5 he that giveth breath . . . and spirit to them that walk.
Hosea 1: 10 Ye are the sons of the living God.
Mal. 2: 10 Have we not all one father.
Matt. 5: 48 (3 Ne. 12: 40) Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father.
Matt. 6: 9 (3 Ne. 13: 9) Our Father which art in heaven.
Acts 17: 29 we are the offspring of God.
Rom. 8: 16 Spirit itself beareth witness . . . we are the children of God.
Eph. 4: 6 One God and Father of all.
Heb. 12: 9 be in subjection unto the Father of spirits.
Gen. 2: 5 (Abr. 5: 5) every plant of the field before it was in the earth.
Ps. 82: 6 (Rom. 8: 16) you are children of the most High.
Eccl. 12: 7 spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Isa. 42: 5 he that giveth . . . spirit to them that walk therein.
Hosea 1: 10 Ye are the sons of the living God.
Zech. 12: 1 formeth the spirit of man within him.
Acts 17: 29 we are the offspring of God.
Heb. 12: 9 in subjection unto the Father of spirits.

344 posted on 09/19/2007 9:04:23 AM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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To: MHGinTN
And, as promised, here’s the post about the many scriptural references to scriptures not currently found in todays modernized bible.

The so-called lost books of the Bible are those documents that are mentioned in the Bible in such a way that it is evident they are considered authentic and valuable, but that are not found in the Bible today. Sometimes called missing scripture, they consist of at least the following:

book of the Wars of the Lord (Num. 21: 14); book of Jasher (Josh. 10: 13; 2 Sam. 1: 18); book of the acts of Solomon (1 Kgs. 11: 41); book of Samuel the seer (1 Chr. 29: 29); book of Gad the seer (1 Chr. 29: 29); book of Nathan the prophet (1 Chr. 29: 29; 2 Chr. 9: 29); prophecy of Ahijah (2 Chr. 9: 29); visions of Iddo the seer (2 Chr. 9: 29; 2 Chr. 12: 15; 2 Chr. 13: 22); book of Shemaiah (2 Chr. 12: 15); book of Jehu (2 Chr. 20: 34); sayings of the seers (2 Chr. 33: 19); an epistle of Paul to the Corinthians, earlier than our present 1 Corinthians (1 Cor. 5: 9); possibly an earlier epistle to the Ephesians (Eph. 3: 3); an epistle to the Church at Laodicea (Col. 4: 16); and some prophecies of Enoch, known to Jude (Jude 1: 14).

To these rather clear references to inspired writings other than our current Bible may be added another list that has allusions to writings that may or may not be contained within our present text, but may perhaps be known by a different title; for example, the book of the covenant (Ex. 24: 7), which may or may not be included in the current book of Exodus; the manner of the kingdom, written by Samuel (1 Sam. 10: 25); the rest of the acts of Uzziah written by Isaiah (2 Chr. 26: 22).

The foregoing items attest to the fact that our present Bible does not contain all of the word of the Lord that he gave to his people in former times, and remind us that the Bible, in its present form, is rather incomplete.

345 posted on 09/19/2007 9:09:42 AM PDT by sevenbak (Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. ~Psalms 85:11)
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