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To: VaBthang4
Do you know when the real reformation came? The real reformation came in the Upper Room, when Jesus instituted the Eucharist, and when he established the Catholic Church. The true reformation wiped away the weak, ineffective Old Testament sacrifices. Would it do away with sacrifices altogether? No. The true reformation would initiate a new sacrifice, which has intrinsic power to cleanse our consciences.
8 posted on 09/13/2007 4:11:00 PM PDT by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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To: NYer
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You again? ~chuckle~ You're a glutton for punishment aren't you[?].

That's cool, at least you have some moxie....even if it is misguided.

Now, on to correcting your quote...

"Do you know when the real reformation came? The real reformation came in the Upper Room, when Jesus instituted the Eucharist....haha, you guys and your fancy pants words....and when he established the Catholic Church...LOL, what?...The true reformation wiped away the weak, ineffective Old Testament sacrifices.

Woe there. Jesus' shedding of his blood and death on the cross wiped away Old Testament sacrifice [meant to cover over sin]. Try not to undermine Jesus' decision to die for you.

"Would it do away with sacrifices altogether? No. The true reformation would initiate a new sacrifice, which has intrinsic power to cleanse our consciences."

Well, allot of flowery language but relatively empty.

The only sacrifice that remains is yours...the sacrificing of your life to God and submission to His purpose.

Really not that deep, but I guess if you add allot of jargon and mysticism to it then it can seem like this major process. It is basically just the starting point.

10 posted on 09/13/2007 6:34:41 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He Who Watches Over Israel Will Neither Slumber Nor Sleep")
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To: NYer
The true reformation would initiate a new sacrifice, which has intrinsic power to cleanse our consciences.

Hebrews 10

[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
[11] And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
[12] But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
[13] From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
[14] For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Christians have no need of additional sacrifice, nor can they benefit from it in any way.  There are no sacrificing priests in true Christianity.

17 posted on 09/13/2007 8:50:39 PM PDT by Celtman (It's never right to do wrong to do right.)
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