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To: tiki

“I want you to show me how the early church was historically and liturgically different than it is today”

This early church? The one with no popes, no priests, no rituals save baptism and communion, no Mary worship, no indulgences, no say five hail marys and you’re forgiven til next time, that church? As for “apostolic liturgy” see Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, the words in red.

Act 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Or the one that has added to the requirements given by Christ.


99 posted on 09/07/2007 8:48:46 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: swmobuffalo

This is your own interpretation of Scripture. You take a verse from a Holy book whose every word was discerned BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH to be the inspired Word of God to deny Catholic theology, that’s funny.

I asked for historical proof.


105 posted on 09/08/2007 6:45:02 AM PDT by tiki
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To: swmobuffalo
popes
The early Church had Peter. There’s the Pope.

priests
Paul writes about presbyters. There are your priests.

rituals save baptism and communion
James writes about the elders of the church anointing the sick. There are your priests again AND there is a ritual other than Baptism and Eucharist.

Mary worship
The Modern Church does not worship Mary, so no difference there.

Indulgences
I may concede partially. The principle dates back to the keys and to Jesus’s gift of the Spirit to the Apostles on Easter. But the earliest cursory searching reveals to me is in the 200’s. (Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church - NOT a Catholic book.)

say five hail marys and you’re forgiven til next time,
does not describe any practice of the Catholic Church ever. It does describe what people who don’t know what we do and don’t care to find out THINK that we do. So there’s no difference there either.

I don’t think you met the challenge “to show ... how the early church was historically and liturgically different than it is today.” What you HAVE managed to do is to repeat a lot of misinformation. It is easier to put down what you think we do and think and are than what we in fact do and think and are. But while you may derive some kind of pleasure or satisfaction from doing so, I’m not sure what good it does.

116 posted on 09/08/2007 10:12:31 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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