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To: Quix
that the whole Fatima schtick

was a deceptive effort by UFO/ET critters with all the typical factors involved in such things.

Oddly enough (given the criticism I've expressed to some of the stuff you've come up with) I tend to agree with you on this. I've read Vallee on apparitions. Not necessarily "ET", but somebody trying to manipulate us.

18 posted on 09/04/2007 10:13:58 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("Dispensationalism -- threat or menace?")
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To: Lee N. Field; All

Not sure I’ve found the particular researcher but there is this . . .

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/07/03.html

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Fatima: The UFO Interpretation
The mass visions that took place in Fatima, Portugal in 1917 have long been the subject of fascination. Tonight’s guest Father Nicholas Gruner believes these events were miraculous communications from the Virgin Mary, as does the Catholic Church. However, a number of ufologists over the years, have looked at the incidents as possibly being an example of a UFO visitation.

The events at Fatima took place over number of months, and were predicted by a young peasant girl named Lucia, who said she received messages from a brilliantly luminous Lady whom she understood to be Mary. As more and more people heard about the events, some 70,000 people gathered on October 13, as Lucia instructed. As the crowd huddled on this rainy day, they saw an astonishing display, where the sun seemed to come down out of the sky, and spin around on itself, in a mad whirl that lasted 10 minutes.

Proponents of the UFO theory, say this bright globe could have been a huge disc-shaped craft, and that many aspects of the incidents, such as reports of unusual beings, ridicule of the witnesses, and dire messages about our planet, parallel current UFO cases. The well-known researcher Jacques Vallee, drew further connections, comparing the weakness and loss of memory some of the witnesses reported, to the kinds of paralysis and lost time that alien abductees experience. And yet, “there is some danger of creating a stereotyped idea of UFOs…and imposing this on the evidence,” writes the insightful UFO author Richard L. Thompson.

—L.L.

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Messages of Fatima
Father Nicholas Gruner (fatima.org), one of the Catholic Church’s more controversial priests, was the main guest on Thursday night. A tireless advocate for devotion and interest in the messages delivered at Fatima in 1917, Gruner believes they hold the key to the fate of mankind.

According to Father Gruner, the last surviving Fatima seer, Sister Lucia, was told a three-part secret in 1917 that she was to reveal over time. The first two parts were released in 1941, and included a vision of hell that was thought to refer to the first two world wars; and the second was a prediction that Russia would return to Christianity. The third secret was given out by the Vatican in 2000, and was said to be a vision of the assassination attempt against Pope John Paul II. However Father Gruner said this wasn’t the real third secret.

He believes it was a vision of a universal crisis for the whole Catholic Church. The “faith is in danger,” he said, echoing the words of the late Father Malachi Martin. Alluding to parts of the church hierarchy being in collusion with a “New World Order” or “one-world religion,” Gruner painted a dire picture of humanity’s enslavement along with a massive depopulation effort. And yet, he said if the “consecration” of Russia could be accomplished, as seen in the Fatima vision, this could instead bring in an era of peace.


19 posted on 09/04/2007 12:28:46 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Lee N. Field

Here’s an interesting added bit from:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2007/07/31.html

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Recap
Fallen Angels & Biblical Prophecy
UFO researcher and student of ancient manuscripts, L. A. Marzulli shared his views on the Nephilim (fallen angels), aliens, biblical prophecy and the Apocalypse. He described a “Luciferian end game” that would take place, possibly after a nuclear attack in the Middle East— UFOs would appear over cities, and there would be full alien disclosure, crediting the ETs with evolving the human species through genetics. Yet, this will be a demonic deception, he warned, setting people up for the Antichrist.

The murders committed by the Nazis during the Holocaust were a kind of “Luciferic sacrifice” that may have opened up portals for fallen angels to enter into our realm, said Marzulli, who noted the rise in UFO sightings directly after WWII. Anomalous creatures such as Mothman may also have arrived through a portal, he conjectured.

Marzulli offered analysis of the Fatima incident of 1917 in Portugal. The apparitions seen by some 70,000 people were not of Mary of the Bible, but rather a type of deception, he believes. A fourth witness was said to have seen an additional figure— a child with stringy hair, which he related to the genetic experiments/hybrids associated with alien lore.


36 posted on 09/04/2007 8:05:43 PM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Lee N. Field

Call him ‘satan.’ HE is the master deceiver and manipulator.


49 posted on 09/05/2007 6:53:59 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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