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To: Wonder Warthog
In the celebration of the Mass, WATER is mixed with the wine. I think this fulfills the verse you quote quite nicely.

You've got to be kidding...Jesus made it crystal clear that he was not referring to actual water...How did your church get you to believe this nonsense???

Funny thing then, that ALL the

Apostles believed exactly that, and taught it from day one.

They most certainly did not...

The belief that the bread and wine become the actual Body and Blood of Christ is attested to from the earliest documents about the Church that exist,

Well, that's according to the Catholic religion history, not bible history...

Two things...The eating or drinking of blood is forbidden before the law (Gen 9), during the law (Lev 17) and after the law (Acts 15)...And the last time, it was a citation form the Holy Spirit, Himself...

And the apostles were well aware of it...

And, if the liquid in the cup was rotted, fermented grape juice as your church tries to peddle to the world, it too would be a violation of Jewish law...They were told to not even look at it (Prov 23:31, 20:1)...You think Jesus drank fermented wine??? Look at this

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:

Jesus never drank fermented wine, nor gave any to His apostles...

Jesus turned liquor into His blood??? Not a chance...Jesus served 'new' wine...Grape juice...

There wasn't even a drop of wine, new or old at the table...

Mat 26:29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

Wine is not the fruit of the vine...Grapes are the fruit of the vine...Jesus had a cluster of grapes in his hand, ready to squeeze...And he said fruit of the vine so no one could confuse the juice with liquor...And how can you be sure???

Because the new wine was a type of the pure blood of Jesus which was pure blood...

Deu 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.

And God would not use old, fermented, rotted grape juice as a type of his pure blood...

To then make this fermented liquor into BLOOD would then be to violate the taboo of God on drinking or eating blood, clean thru the word of God...It is crucifying Jesus Christ in the name and 'for the glory' of Jesus Christ (if such a thing can be imagined)...

It is forcing God to contradict Himself and then using His own word to make a liar out of Him, and at the same time violate His instructions...

When the Catholic chews up Jesus Christ, he is instructed to do so on an empty stomach and then remain in the sanctuary for 20 minutes, which is normal digesting time for bread...Now think about it...

If it is Jesus Christ, it's not literal bread and the 20 minute period is ridiculous...And if it's literal bread, which takes the time to digest, it's not Jesus Christ...

Joh 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

Jesus lives by the Father...If you eat Jesus, you live by Jesus...Did Jesus eat the father for his life???

133 posted on 09/02/2007 2:31:49 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Iscool
"You've got to be kidding...Jesus made it crystal clear that he was not referring to actual water...How did your church get you to believe this nonsense???"

Simple, by reading and believing the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts that agree with Protestant fabrications.

"They most certainly did not."

They most certainly DID. Read Paul's letters.

"Well, that's according to the Catholic religion history, not bible history..."

The two are identical (and in fact "Catholic religion history" predates the New Testament by a few years). The Didache predates ALL of the gospels. I suggest you read it---it can be found on-line.

"Jesus turned liquor into His blood??? Not a chance...Jesus served 'new' wine...Grape juice..."

"This is my Blood". Doesn't matter if it was fermented or grape juice. Whatever it was, he turned it into his Blood. The statement is completely unequivocal.

And when you claim otherwise, you're calling Jesus Christ a liar, as well as Peter, Paul, and the other writers of the New Testament.

"Jesus lives by the Father...If you eat Jesus, you live by Jesus...Did Jesus eat the father for his life???"

You "do" believe in the Trinity, do you not?? Jesus and the Father (as well as the Holy Spirit) are one. So Jesus didn't need to "eat the father for his life"----but WE DO.

138 posted on 09/02/2007 3:38:44 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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