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To: Iscool
John 7:

51 -- I am the living bread that came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
52 -- The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
53 -- Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 -- Whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 -- For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
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60 -- Many therefore of his disciiples, when they heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can bear it?

111 posted on 09/02/2007 3:50:45 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
60 -- Many therefore of his disciiples, when they heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can bear it?

Exactly...Jesus threw them (and you) a curve ball and they missed it...Jesus was talking spiritual, they were thinking physical...They figured he was their meal ticket...

Joh 6:27 Labor not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

If what you believe about the mass was true, a one time, lifetime mass would be sufficient...

Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Joh 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Do you believe on Jesus??? Have you hungered since??? Have you been thirsty??? Was Jesus lying???

Joh 6:36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Can you explain why in this verse that if you believe on Jesus, you have everlasting life??? No eating flesh and drinking blood???

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Could it possibly get any more clear than that???

Joh 6:48 I am that bread of life.

Believe on the Bread of Life...Life for your soul, not you body...

Joh 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Here's the curve ball...A moment ago, He said believing on Him would give eternal life...Now, He says to an already unbelieving crowd that if they eat him, they will have eternal life...And what did this accomplish??? It separated the believers from the phoneys...The believers didn't understand it...They just accepted it...And none of them pulled out a fork and said, "Lets's eat"...

And none of them then, or ever were told that a priest would mysteriously turn wine into God's blood and bread into God's actual flesh...

Joh 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live forever.

Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth;

The spirit raises up; gives life, not the eating of flesh and blood...

the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

114 posted on 09/02/2007 5:40:38 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: maryz; Wonder Warthog
51 -- I am the living bread that came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. 52 -- The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 -- Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. 54 -- Whosoever eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 -- For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. . . . 60 -- Many therefore of his disciiples, when they heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can bear it?


In these passages, Jesus is speaking of doing something that is both necessary and sufficient for salvation, would you agree? Catholics claim it is the physical eating of His flesh and drinking His blood in the form of the Eucharist. The problem is, the Catholic church does not teach that taking the Eucharist is either necessary nor sufficient for salvation. For example, the Church clearly teaches that Protestants and other non-Catholics can be saved. How is this the case, when they have not taken the Eucharist?
125 posted on 09/02/2007 8:09:45 AM PDT by armydoc
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