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To: DragoonEnNoir

I don’t think the man is a monster, like many here. He has a different way of presenting things than most but who can say with any real knowledge that God’s not in it? I like to hear more people preach on sin and hell myself and don’t even hear it much in my own church since the senior pastor retired, but I know the basics. Once you know the basics, you need to move on into ministry and using the gifts God has given you. Lots of churches do NOT provide that. I’m not saying I agree with everything Rick Warren espouses, but I don’t agree with a LOT of things that go on in church, work, FR, anywhere. That’s my right, I guess.


26 posted on 08/29/2007 10:53:26 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: Marysecretary
None of us are perfect, and I know with absolute certainty that I am not. I think the test of whether God is in any of our actions lies in constantly testing what we do and how we do it against the Word of scripture.

I’m fine with honest and loving critique of any person, including myself. What saddens me is when people who wear the name of Christ cast stones unjustly, or try to slander others. We are to 'put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his (our) neighbor(s), for we are all members of one body.' (Eph 4:24)

Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you. (Eph 4:29-32)

(Marysecretary wrote:) I like to hear more people preach on sin and hell myself

I think many churches are afraid of 'offending' people with unpleasant aspects of scripture. The thinking seems to go that people don't 'like' to hear about sin or hell, so we should avoid the subject. Yet we are told that friendship with the world is hatred towards God' (James 4:4).

We need the full message of God delivered, and not just a portion of it. Without knowledge of our absolute sinfulness and the rightious judgement of God, the gospel fails to be Good News.

28 posted on 08/30/2007 4:09:21 AM PDT by DragoonEnNoir
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