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"No, you provided a self-referential argument, not “disproof”. St-John-said-that-Jesus-sent-him-a-vision-that-said-to-write. That’s hearsay at best —"

NYer and I both accept the inspiration of the Scriptures. Any argument from the Scriptures could be called "self referential". Your argument has no meaning in this context.

If you won't accept the testimony of the Scriptures, then nothing I could provide for you could pass your test. What sort of evidence would you accept that Jesus commanded a disciple to "write"?

"That said, the truth of the argument above remains: Jesus did not himself personally write any of the Gospel. And, during his 3 1/2 year ministry on earth, he did not direct his disciples to do so either. Even post-resurrection thru to his ascent into heaven. Those are facts of Scripture."

We have seen that there IS proof that Jesus told a disciple to write down his words. That is the FACT.

> What sort of evidence would you accept that Jesus commanded a disciple to “write”?

There is none. No evidence to say that He Himself Personally did so, and no evidence outside the self-referential claims of the writers themselves.

> If you won’t accept the testimony of the Scriptures, then nothing I could provide for you could pass your test.

That’s right. This is because you are trying to “prove” something with “fact” that can only be taken on “Faith”. Jesus had something to say about that, to the doubting St Thomas, as I recall.

> We have seen that there IS proof that Jesus told a disciple to write down his words. That is the FACT.

If it is Fact, then it can be proven. As we have seen, you cannot prove it. That leaves you in the position of having to accept these things as a matter of Faith, not Fact.