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Posted on 08/20/2007 2:38:07 PM PDT by pjr12345
Papal Authority / Apostolic Succession / Peter as First Pope
The basis for papal authority lies in the Roman Catholic Church's interpretation of Matthew 16:18-19 --
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed[d] in heaven.
Catholics believe that Jesus was addressing Peter only in His statement, and interpret this verse as Jesus' intent to build an earthly institution of man with Peter as its foundational leader.
This modified series is intended to demonstrate Biblical support (or lack thereof) for certain doctrines common within the Catholic faith. Appeals to Tradition, Magisterium, Creeds, Commentaries, or any material other than Scripture are unacceptable.
By Scripture I mean the 69 non-apocryphal books. Please don't clutter up the thread with a debate about the origination of Scripture, its content, caretakers, or source. If you have any doubts about what Scripture is, then use the New King James Version and save your comments for another thread.
Please keep the discussion civil, centered on the topic, and above all Scriptural.
I'm looking forward to your insights.
pjr12345
Yes, I know. There are only 66 books in the Bible.
It was a typo, followed by a cut and paste error. Let it go.
I invite all Catholic readers of this thread to keep in mind the admonitions of Scripture as set forth in Matthew 7:6.And remember, kiddies: If it ain't King James Version, it ain't Scripture!
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
How can Germans, Russians, and Japenese ever read scripture if it must be the King James version?
Catholics reject the "scripture only" doctrine AND the notion that the Bible only contains 66 books.
Since otherwise Catholic threads which have contained incidental reference to Protestant etc. practices and beliefs, this thread which directly addresses Catholic practices and must also be opened.
The Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes!
If you're going to have a thread trashing discussing Catholic doctrine, you can't declare it a "caucus" thread to prevent Catholics from participating or responding.
Dave Armstrong's site already treats this topic extensively.
How can Germans, Russians, and Japenese ever read scripture if it must be the King James version?Hast thou not read Matthew 13:11-15?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
Isaiah 56:11
I object to it just on principle, though I don't understand how "scripture only" would serve to exclude anyone.
Still, the insinuation is ugly.
Isaiah 47:3
There is no intent to “trash” Catholics. The intent is to establish the extents/limits of explaining tenets of Catholic beliefs using Scripture alone.
If one is Catholic, and one accepts authorities additional to the Bible, one ought to find it valuable to know how much of one’s beliefs can be supported through Scripture exclusively. The remaining beliefs must obviously be supported through those other authorities.
Scripture only.Cite, please ...
We actually have the Scripural basis in the verse that he cites yet, dare I say the truth, YOPIOS, and YOPIOS believers feel no qualms in asserting their own infalliblility.
Shall we try again? LOL
“If you have any doubts about what Scripture is, then use the New King James Version and save your comments for another thread.”
Pardon me? You are discussing Catholic Doctrine using the King James version?
You must be inhabiting an alternate universe because I discuss Catholic doctrine using Douhay, or if you prefer we can get the Navarre commentaries.
“Please don’t clutter up the thread with a debate about the origination of Scripture, its content, caretakers, or source.”
Well, that’s a relief. King James was one of the Apostles after all.
3 Your nakedness will be exposed
and your shame uncovered.
I will take vengeance;
I will spare no one.”
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