The tag line -- "Do Not Trust Anyone. Do Not Show Emotion. Do Not Fall Asleep." -- left me thinking: "Well, at least she shouldn't have any trouble with the middle one."
Posted on 08/20/2007 1:02:12 PM PDT by NYer
I should say... a Civil Divorce. There is no such thing as a Divorce, per se, in the Catholic Church. Annulment is supposed to be a recognition that the marriage essentially never was. The complication is that to Catholics, the Sacrament of Matrimony is one of seven sacraments - Baptism, Confirmation, Confession (Reconciliation), Eucharist, Matrimony, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick (last rites). Of these, Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, and Holy Orders can only be given once.
Yes but... the fear of the children becoming post hoc illegitimate is very real to Catholics contemplating the seeking of an annulment.
>>I should say... a Civil Divorce. There is no such thing as a Divorce, per se, in the Catholic Church. Annulment is supposed to be a recognition that the marriage essentially never was. The complication is that to Catholics, the Sacrament of Matrimony is one of seven sacraments - Baptism, Confirmation, Confession (Reconciliation), Eucharist, Matrimony, Holy Orders, Anointing of the Sick (last rites). Of these, Baptism, Confirmation, Matrimony, and Holy Orders can only be given once.<<
And this is why, even though I am curious and one of best friends is a Nun, I never visit Catholic churches....
Its so complicated I am afraid I will embarrass whoever I go with by doing something wrong/
Huh?!?!?!
Baptism? check
Confirmation? check
Holy orders? Not quite ... essentially three times ... a man may be ordained a Deacon ... then a Priest ... then a Bishop.
Matrimony? We take that “until death do us part” thing seriously. That means a widow(er) is free to marry; death did them part. If it were not so, I’d be in trouble. But I’m not. At least, not that kind of trouble.
YMMV, but in my experience Catholics tend to be quite understanding about that sort of thing, especially where there's no apparent sense of malicious intent.
She could have had it annulled because of “fraud”, couldn’t she?
>>YMMV, but in my experience Catholics tend to be quite understanding about that sort of thing, especially where there’s no apparent sense of malicious intent.<<
Hopefully they would take being accompanied by 80 year old retired Nun as a good start. :)
I thought it had to be a Jewish or Christian marriage, not just any belief system.
I do know people who consider any marriage valid, even one before a justice of the peace--a promise is a promise, etc. This differs from the Catholic point of view, but their view of the marriage after it takes place is essentially the same as that of Catholics: no seeking of divorce, and if a divorce must take place, no remarriage.
I never even heard of this book, and now that I have, I have reason to never purchase or promote it in any way.
What gets me is that Hollywood could make soooooo many movies based on good books that affirm Christianity instead of this crap. The idea that Hollywood does everything to make money is a lie. They do everything to promote their agenda.
LOL! I wouldn't worry, you'll be ok if you ever decide to. Just go with someone who's Catholic and he or she will tell you what to do. Otherwise:
1) sit/stand all the way in the back
2) just follow everyone else with the standing and kneeling
3) no need to make responses, sing, or anything...plenty of other people won't be anyway.
4) when people go up for Communion just stay in your seat and let everybody go around you. Not everyone goes to Communion anyway, so no one will think it odd.
You can pretty much not participate and no one will say anything. :)
That might be what the secular world refers to them as but the Church does not.
Thank you.
Nobody's going to quiz you on theology or practice if you attend Mass with a friend. Just do what everyone else does, except don't receive Communion if you're not Catholic.
Iirc, the children were legally adopted. This makes the Catholic Church’s judgment of the sacramental validity of Tom Cruise’s and Nicole Kidman’s legal marriage even less relevant that it would otherwise be.
The Sacrament of Matrimony can be celebrated more than once if a spouse dies and the survivor marries again.
Very good start. :’} And if she’s anything like most of the nuns I know, she’d enjoy it. They tend to be real sweethearts ... unless you’re acting up in class.
It’s tough to say what her marital status vis-a-vis the Church. First, there is the question of whether Mr. Cruise was eligible to contract a valid Catholic marriage. He was divorced when he married Ms. Kidman, and a Scientologist as well. Either of these circumstances may have been prima facie impediments to a valid sacramental marriage, meaning that they may have never even attempted a Catholic marriage.
Next, even if they were ostensibly married in the Church, Mr. Cruise’s bizarre beliefs may affect his views toward marriage, as well, and may make his participation in a Catholic marriage problematic.
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The tag line -- "Do Not Trust Anyone. Do Not Show Emotion. Do Not Fall Asleep." -- left me thinking: "Well, at least she shouldn't have any trouble with the middle one."
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