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Debt, the Vocation Killer [Catholic Caucus]
National Catholic Register ^ | March 11, 2007 | Tim Drake

Posted on 08/07/2007 10:10:52 AM PDT by fr maximilian mary

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To: NYer

That’s unfortunate that they can’t afford to take on new applicants; but all the more incentive to pray that souls will help them with the needed funds. I know the couple that started the Foundation and it is a labor of love (they get nothing for the work they do, that is, on the temporal plane—but feel they are rewarded most amply for their work in seeing young men and women respond to their call). So a prayer for the success of their mission. God bless...


21 posted on 08/07/2007 5:13:48 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary

**The need is great. “One of every two aspirants will have had student debt at one time,” said Corey Huber, executive director of the Fraser Family Foundation. “One of every four aspirants will have debt in excess of $25,000.”**

This has to be in undergraduate degrees from secular colleges?? Correct?


22 posted on 08/07/2007 6:04:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sitetest

YLI, Young Laides Institute, is also a national level women’s group that offers scholarships.

Congratulations to the Knights of Columbus. I know they do a lot of helping along the way.


23 posted on 08/07/2007 6:06:22 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: fr maximilian mary; nickcarraway; sandyeggo; Lady In Blue; NYer; american colleen; ELS; Pyro7480; ..
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24 posted on 08/07/2007 6:08:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation
Dear Salvation,

College is expensive.

Even a year at Christendom, tuition, room, and board, is $24,000 per year. It’s just not tough to run up the debt.

Even state schools have gotten more expensive. Here in Maryland, the University of Maryland, College Park, is about $17,000 for tuition, room, and board for IN-STATE students! My understanding is that freshmen are required to live on campus.


sitetest

25 posted on 08/07/2007 6:16:02 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: fr maximilian mary

Father,

EVERY seminarian should become a Knight. The RSVP Program is Order-wide:

http://www.kofc.org/about/activities/church/vocations/index.cfm

Just as every Catholic man who is a fireman, policeman or in the Military should be Knights for the insurance benefits of a First Degree Member alone!

Please check into your local Councils! The Councils give or pledge $500 to the RSVP program and they receive a refund for their efforts. My Council funded 6 seminarians each year. The last was “free” due to the $100 per capita refund from the other 5! Note that more than one Council could fund a seminarian and that we sent them CARE packages at key times in the year (like Christmas). One man asked us to cut back as he was gaining too much weight! We also gave them free tickets to any Council event. And, many came over the years for the “home cooked meals.”

F


26 posted on 08/07/2007 6:28:49 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: GCC Catholic

Are you a Knight? Have you signed your form 100 yet? You could end up on EWTN one day at the 130 Annual Supreme Convention!


27 posted on 08/07/2007 6:30:21 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

This sounds like a fabulous program! Wow!


28 posted on 08/07/2007 6:30:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: fr maximilian mary; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; ...

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29 posted on 08/07/2007 6:33:07 PM PDT by Coleus (Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: fr maximilian mary

bumpus ad summum


30 posted on 08/07/2007 6:34:17 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Salvation

The $$ is not much, Salvation, but you should see the look on these men’s face’s when 20 Knights showed up at their first Mass within the Diocese. We took them all out to lunch after that Mass, presented them with a K of C stole, and have made contacts that have lasted 20 years. One of our seminarians is now a local Pastor. To say he is fond of our Council is an understatement.

F


31 posted on 08/07/2007 6:36:53 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

Thank you, Lord, for blessings like these Knights and the priests and seminarians they sponsor!


32 posted on 08/07/2007 7:08:26 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tiki

The Burse from the Knights is to help pay for Books or some pocket change like 1000 bucks for one of our seminarians..


33 posted on 08/07/2007 7:29:41 PM PDT by philly-d-kidder (a Humid 111 Degrees at 3 am.... in the Kuwaiti desert!)
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To: fr maximilian mary

very funny!


34 posted on 08/07/2007 8:07:12 PM PDT by karnage
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To: sitetest; NYer; Salvation
“Required to live on campus”?

Yeah, right. That way it’s easier for the predators to pick out the virgins and have sex with them without the parents’ protection.

That reminds me of the Jackson 5 tour and the outlandish price of a ticket to their show...and you had to buy four tickets if you wanted to get in.

Cost of education up, quality of education down, price of freedom astronomical because the young adult is dim of thought, lazy in skill, and over burdened beyond belief. This is the nature of American socialism. It’s our style of Communism not unlike what Asia and Europe suffer.

Solution: THE NATURAL FAMILY!!!!! Parents guard your children (without nagging them), children honor your parents (and don’t be a rebel). Society starts with the family.

Debt consolidation as a family (especially among siblings) team effort helped cancel out individual debt, and that’s how my grandparents made it to America and through the Great Depression.

35 posted on 08/07/2007 11:26:02 PM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" for the Unborn Child)
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To: fr maximilian mary

Thank-you for the excellent article.


36 posted on 08/08/2007 4:19:07 AM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation.)
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To: Salvation

Ave Maria!

Yes, mostly undergraduate degrees. About 25% of our applicants can’t enter right away due to college debt and others that come to us have delayed applying because of college debt.


37 posted on 08/08/2007 5:50:08 AM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: NYer
I just reread your whole entry. The Fraser Family Foundation started the grant program but have transferred it to a new Foundation, Mater Ecclesiae, which is exclusively dedicated to funding vocations. They are taking applications. Mr & Mrs. Huber with Mater Ecclesiae hope to help 10 applicants each year. That means that they will be supporting 100 vocations in the next ten years.

Unlike the Knights of Columbus who help with donations and out of pocket expenses, the Mater Ecclesiae literally takes over the seminarian, sister or brothers debt--they can enter formation without any concern. The Foundation is obviously limited to how many loans it can take on. I'm hopeful that some big benefactors will donate to them so that they can help many more than 100. Let us pray...

Some of our men have tried the Laboure Foundation, but it is a lot of work--people have to donate to the Laboure Foundation in the candidates name which means the candidate has to write lots of begging letters and thank you letters and if enough money isn't being donated in their name they have to write more letters still (our experience is that this method is unnerving and a great distraction for the brother in formation).

At any rate, the article clearly shows that the need is there and that there are groups like the Knights of Columbus and Mater Ecclesiae Fund for Vocations out there to help.

38 posted on 08/08/2007 6:08:03 AM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary
Dear fr maximilian mary,

“Unlike the Knights of Columbus who help with donations and out of pocket expenses,...”

The Knights do a little more than this. As I pointed out in a previous post, in addition to donations for out-of-pocket expenses, the Knights provide scholarships of $2,500 per year for about 130 seminarians in the United States and Canada.

It isn’t at the level of what Mater Ecclesiae is doing, but it’s a bit more than covering some out-of-pocket expenses.


sitetest

39 posted on 08/08/2007 6:22:03 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: SaltyJoe
Dear SaltyJoe,

Only incoming freshmen have this requirement. Folks who transfer in (a common practice) aren’t required to live on campus.

“Yeah, right. That way it’s easier for the predators to pick out the virgins and have sex with them without the parents’ protection.”

That would be the cynical view of it. I’m not sure that I disagree with it. However, the university has a perspective and it’s not without some validity. Maryland’s a big place. Over 30,000 undergrads. The university believes that students are less likely to drop out if they exercise a bit more supervision the first year.

“Cost of education up, quality of education down,...”

At the college level, I’m not sure it’s fair to say generally that the quality of education is down. In some places, it probably is down, especially in the first year at places that are open enrollment. This is because folks come in so poorly prepared from high school. Open enrollment colleges become remedial education centers. Fortunately, many of them do a good job at it.

But frankly, our better universities are the best in the world. And many have improved in recent years. When I was in high school, U of MD was a party school. When applying to schools, we’d put it down as our “safe” school - just in case we didn’t get into where we really wanted to be.

Now, U of MD has a multitude of programs that are in the top 25 in the country.

Maryland’s a big, tough place. It’s definitely not for everyone. I’m not sure it’s such a bad idea to require freshmen to live on campus.


sitetest

40 posted on 08/08/2007 6:30:37 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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