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To: Uncle Chip
And what exactly does that have to do with the judgment of the two-thirds in the land back in chapter 13?

There's also the part that you have conveniently ignored:

"The city [Jerusalem] shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city." (14:2)

And how does this section begin:

"The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel." (12:1)

People also seem to forget some of the time indicators:

"I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness."

The prophecy was intended for a day when men rode horses for transportation and in war, not modern times like today.

It is also a time with the people were still known by their tribe and family (12:12-14). Modern Israel has no such knowledge of family lineage. They have become a nation of inbreeding, cross-breeding with the nation and familial uncertainty.

I'm afraid the idea that this prophecy is about modern times cannot be support from the text.

13 posted on 08/04/2007 11:15:06 AM PDT by topcat54 ("... knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience." (James 1:3))
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To: topcat54
And what exactly does that have to do with the judgment of the two-thirds in the land back in chapter 13?

The two-thirds of those living in the Land will perish in this battle culminating with chapter 14. They will either join in the siege of Jerusalem, or be casualties of the battle, along with the foreign nations that invade Israel. The one-third that survive will be all Israel brought through the fire.

There's also the part that you have conveniently ignored: "The city [Jerusalem] shall be taken, The houses rifled, And the women ravished. Half of the city shall go into captivity, But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city." (14:2)

I didn't ignore it, I was waiting for you to bring it up. Only half of the city will be captured [probably the Palestinian half of East Jerusalem]. The remnant of the people of Israel will hold onto the other half and the Temple Mount.

And how does this section begin: "The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel."(12:1)

Well clearly this is a heavy message and will not be a walk in the park for anyone, especially for Israel.

"I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness." The prophecy was intended for a day when men rode horses for transportation and in war, not modern times like today.

And yet even in this day vehicle engines are measured in terms of "horsepower". How many horses does your car have under the hood????

It is also a time with the people were still known by their tribe and family (12:12-14). Modern Israel has no such knowledge of family lineage. They have become a nation of inbreeding, cross-breeding with the nation and familial uncertainty.

God knows their family lineage --------- don't you think??? And the marvels of DNA are enabling the Israelis to definitively identify the descendants of the Tribe of Levi, and other tribes to follow.

I'm afraid the idea that this prophecy is about modern times cannot be support from the text.

If it is not yet future then when did it take place in the past????

14 posted on 08/04/2007 1:43:59 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: topcat54; Uncle Chip
The prophecy was intended for a day when men rode horses for transportation and in war, not modern times like today.

The prophecy was "given" in a day when they understood horses as transportation. They wouldn't have understood tanks, F16's, etc. but we can understand their words and apply them to today's vehicles. I believe it was written for us to warn us about the end of days.

20 posted on 08/05/2007 1:52:35 PM PDT by Ping-Pong
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To: topcat54
All right, you have been rather persuasive. Those have to be real horses not vehicles [no matter how much horsepower]. So let's return to your earlier post:

"I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness."

The prophecy was intended for a day when men rode horses for transportation and in war, not modern times like today.

Says who??? Do soldiers ride horses in any armies today? Do policemen patrol cities on horseback today??? Do they ride horses anywhere in the Middle East today??? Are horses entirely obsolete for all armies and all military purposes. Perhaps in a future of gasoline shortages and hummer scarcities, the horse might be pressed into service just as in WWI and even early WWII.

37 posted on 08/06/2007 2:02:31 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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