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I must be way out of the loop, what happened?
Sungenis is a geocentrist. In a certain sense, I have to admire a guy just because he’s willing to be that far out there.
I thought he was a Feeneyite. Weren't he and Karl Keating having a feud? Or maybe I'm confusing him with someone else.
Sungenis is bound by obedience to the Pastoral Vicar of his Diocese. I am happy he is complying. Becoming a schismatic is a bizarre option for an apologist.
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Good for Mr. Sungenis for having the humility to follow the reasonable requests of his bishop.
Sungenis is really far out of the mainstream. For example, he thinks that women are required to cover their heads in church, which is not true.
Moral of this story: don’t believe everything you read on the internet. Just because some guy has a blog, it doesn’t mean that he knows what he’s saying or that he is truthful.
While there is no connection between creationism and geocentrism (on the one hand) and anti-Semitism (on the other hand), the fact that all these doctrines are part of Catholic tradition makes it almost inevitable that any Catholic who takes the traditional position on creation/geocentrism will almost inevitably take it on the Jews as well.
I said: “If someone calls all the things documented that Sungenis has written attacking Jews mere ‘foibles’, then that tells everyone more than enough about such a person.”
Vladimir said: “You have no idea of what you’re talking about. His actions were examples of his foibles. I said nothing about the ideas he held.”
Here’s what I was talking about. Dmetrius wrote: “Sugenis was under interdict from his bishop and his bishop told him he had to take his anti-semitic stuff down or he would denounce Sungenis.”
Right after that statement, you wrote, “Quite frankly I don’t care about Sungenis past foibles. His books are excellent.”
The only thing Dmetrius wrote about Sungenis here was Sungenis’ “anti-Semitic stuff”. So I think it’s natural I would conclude you were talking about that same thing when you said you didn’t care about “Sungenis’ past foibles” right afterwards.
And a “foible” is “a minor flaw or weakness”...*MINOR*.
My reaction was only that if (if!) you really see Sungenis’ anti-Semitic writings as only a “MINOR flaw or weakness” then that would say something about your values.
Maybe you didn’t think “foible” meant something minor, so maybe it was just a misunderstanding. At the beginning, you agreed that some of the things he’s said are anti-Semitic, so we agree on that much. The only other thing I could think of off the top of my head was that you believe anti-Semitism like that isn’t serious, and I couldn’t believe you’d think that.
You said, “Also, please note, Dmetrius’ account has been banned or suspended. I’m not sure why he was banned but you might want to think about it.”
Not really. One of your comments was removed by the moderator. I’m not going waste time trying to read into either occurrence. I only care about the points that are on-topic. And his points made sense to me for the most part.
My focuse is the original topic. It’s too bad (*really*) it looks like Mr. Sungenis is creeping back on what he wrote about finally cooling it on Jewish things already. There were signs of real hope and I hope they aren’t fading. He took down the letter (the one I quoted at the very top) that was supposed to be kept up at his internet website for good and settle matters. He changed the name of his organization and took the word Catholic out. Now he’s got a couple Q-A’s from someone that has a real issue with Jews (Suter?), new Alerts of whatever he calls them about Jews and Israel and going after Dear Abby (no doubt because he attacked her before as bad Jewish influence) and a newish article against some Protestant guy where Mr. Sungenis says he’s not anti-Semitic but he still keeps lumping all Jewish people together like one big monolith in his defense of himself.
All I can guess is that he must not get how anyone would be offended by that.
I hope he turns around and gets back on track for good. We need the kind of work he used to do for the Church. And he’ll do that a lot better if gets back on good terms with his bishop, who’s supposed to be very good from what people are saying. That’s the Catholic way to do things.
No argument from me that he’s got a lot to offer, especially defending God’s Word from attack. We need to pray for him to get it together for the long haul. We need everyone who will stand up and fight for Truth...with love.
Especially at this time of year.
Merry Christmas!