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THE TEN MOST COMMON LITURGICAL ABUSES And Why They're Wrong
Catholic Answers ^ | not available | Kevin Orlin Johnson

Posted on 08/01/2007 11:19:04 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Frank Sheed

I was hoping someone would remark on extending the right arm (reminds me of a salute) during Mass. I saw this a month ago when the priest was giving a blessing during the first half of a Mass. Prior to that I had only seen it in photos, but in a discussion with a deacon (at another parish), he seemed to think it not unusual, rather routine.


81 posted on 08/01/2007 7:11:44 PM PDT by Daffy
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To: Daffy; AnAmericanMother

We have discussed this before. Mother, “Die Hitler-Jugend” clean-up in aisle 4!

How did this creep into N.O. Masses?

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82 posted on 08/01/2007 7:22:46 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: baa39; Tax-chick

This priest was the Chaplain at an all male Catholic High School. He was also a very holy and even-tempered human who was incredibly cultured and well read.

I think the safety pins indicate that some previous testosterone-driven “troglodyte” had done this to him before and he was a man who came to serve God prepared for any and all eventualities. He may well have had a first aid kit secreted away in his vestments.

We have no millipedes in Ireland, Mrs. Tax. We do have Furies, however, and abundant Leprechauns who steal things like cowboy boots.

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83 posted on 08/01/2007 7:27:49 PM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Frank Sheed

>>How did this creep into N.O. Masses?<<

I was just told that this is a “Blessing” by the parishioners. However, laity is not allowed to bless.

In LA it’s to help the Cardinal with the consecration.
Yikes!


84 posted on 08/01/2007 7:31:46 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Frank Sheed

How does that work, if the boots are snakeskin?


85 posted on 08/01/2007 7:41:40 PM PDT by Tax-chick (All the main characters die, and then the Prince of Sweden delivers the Epilogue.)
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To: marshmallow

I hate the jokes and the light banter, too. It lessens the dignity of the Mass. I also really do not like the announcements right before the end. They break the form. I also do not like a recessional hymn. The mass has just ended, the priest said so, and we’ve been blessed. The End.


86 posted on 08/01/2007 8:12:10 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Salvation

Bump.


87 posted on 08/01/2007 8:16:43 PM PDT by Maeve (Read Bush Executive Order PD 51...)
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To: baa39
it’s inappropriate because the hand-holding is NOT a sign of unity (as some argue for being the reason to hold hands) but rather it is a sign of intimacy.

Thank you so much for sharing this. I have always felt very uncomfortable with this and generally refuse the practice, which at times can make me feel self-consciously guilty for not going with the flow. This articulates what I have felt and will allow me to explain it to others. Great post. Thanks again.

88 posted on 08/01/2007 8:21:30 PM PDT by LordBridey
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To: cheme

I have always thought that words could not be changed.


89 posted on 08/01/2007 9:13:07 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: cheme

No, that is not “permitted” for goodness sakes! (Although obviously all sorts of things are being “permitted” by our bishops, since this goes on unabated.) It is nice to hear some reverence being given to Mary for a change, but that is not the place to do it. Not ONE word of the rite should be altered.

Just a few moments ago I opened a letter from my Mom, she went to a “Women in Scripture” day at a Catholic retreat center, and the speaker was a protestant who informed them that Mary is NOT the Mother of God, and that having to go through a priest to “reach God” is “so old testament.”


90 posted on 08/01/2007 9:13:37 PM PDT by baa39 (pax)
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To: Tax-chick

I bet you don’t let your kids go to the bathroom during Mass, let alone during the Consecration. This is something that ruffles my feathers. I want to stare at them.


91 posted on 08/01/2007 9:15:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: LordBridey

You’re welcome, thank you so much for telling me that!


92 posted on 08/01/2007 9:19:29 PM PDT by baa39 (pax)
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To: dsc

Check out the other thread I posted today for the really important abuses that aren’t even spoken of here.

Liturgical Abuses search should bring it up.


93 posted on 08/01/2007 9:21:17 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: baa39

LOL! I have often done the same, but only if I was going to be a EMHC.


94 posted on 08/01/2007 9:23:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Frank Sheed; baa39
I have been attending an FSSP parish in an adjacent diocese for approximately nine years. For logistical reasons I occasionally attend a local parish and have seen incredible changes going on. The pastor, fiftiesh, ordained eight years ago, an Irishman, is incrementally introducing traditionalism into his liturgies. One week the altar boys are wearing the traditional cassock and surplice ( never a girl ), a few weeks later are kneeling at the altar during the consecration, sanctus bells are rung, he beats his chest at the confiteor and genuflects during the creed ( as do many parishioners ). I have heard him say during the sermon that he will only give his EEM's communion on the tongue and thinks that everyone should receive it that way, and demands that everyone turn to page 255 to sing the gloria...in latin...Gregorian chant. The Sanctus and Agnus Dei are in Latin.

I commented to a parishioner that the priest is a subversive traditionalist, and he said that ever since a Catholic radio station began broadcasting here last fall, this priest has been reinforced and empowered to do these things, in an extremely liberal diocese. Oh.....and his daily masses at 6:45 a.m. are packed with 50 people every day, which to me is incredible.

So support your local Cath. radio station. It has incredible benefits, not only for laity, but for clergy too.

Now...when he eliminates the Schutz, Haas, Haagen music I will register as a parishioner.

95 posted on 08/01/2007 9:26:29 PM PDT by LordBridey
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To: Salvation

Actually, this may be a good argument against Communion in the hand, albeit not a theological one. We shake hands with all these people, getting our own hands full of germs, and then we dishonor the Body of Christ by receiving him with these now-dirty hands.


96 posted on 08/01/2007 9:27:50 PM PDT by baa39 (pax)
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To: baa39

Works for me.


97 posted on 08/01/2007 9:54:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation; NYer

Salvation, hi, to find your other thread I did a search on “liturgical abuses” as you suggested. First, I’m saving that, it has so much good information, thank you!

Second, the search brought up a post of NYer’s from several months ago that includes the “Barney video”. Of course I’ve heard of this, and I even know people in that diocese who’ve told me about the other abominations...but actually seeing it, and worse yet hearing that “homily,” has put me in a state of shock! I thought I was pretty well-informed, but to really hear this “priest” and his mocking, egotistcal tone, and see people soaking it up in ignorance...a video is really worth a thousand words.


98 posted on 08/01/2007 10:04:51 PM PDT by baa39 (pax)
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To: LordBridey

That is VERY interesting! Also, it seems the “priest shortage” is possibly being solved in an unexpected way in recent years by these men who find “late” vocations. Thanks for the comment about Catholic radio, I never thought of that. Same is true for EWTN I would guess.


99 posted on 08/01/2007 10:09:50 PM PDT by baa39 (pax)
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To: baa39

Liturgical Abuses: Summarized from Redemptionis Sacramentum

This has a lot of background and canon law information in it, does it? I thought it was fabulous and would be great to post after this thread.


100 posted on 08/01/2007 10:50:08 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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