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To: CatholicTim

In response to post 75...I was considering which way to go in response but changed my mind altogether...

I have never seen such a perversion of scripture all at one time...You removed words of scripture to prove your point...You added words to the scripture to make your point...

You added your own private interpretation to each verse and the interpretation usually has nothing to do with the context of the verses...

No point in discussing what the bible DOESN’T say...


85 posted on 08/01/2007 5:54:55 AM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: Iscool

I am sorry if my subjective interpretation of scripture does not match your subjective interpretation. You are welcome to have your own interpretation. It’s a free country.

However, you should spend a few minutes with a Church of Christ minister and try to convince him of the truths of Calvinism. The Churches of Christ are very anti-Catholic but they also teach that Calvinism is heresy. That is the problem with Sola Scriptura. Authority rests only with the individual. All biblical truth becomes subjective.

Again you have failed to mention one verse that says “future sins” are forgiven when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Such a passage does not exist.

In fact, Romans 8:1-4 is an excellent point of demonstrating the Catholic notion that we have to persevere, our salvation is not assured.

Romans 8:3-4:

“That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”

We are instucted to “walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit”. That means we say “yes” to the Spirit in every action and every decision.

You have also failed to identify ONE CHRISTIAN that believed this heresy before Calvin. Just give me ONE!

To keep the discussion simple, let me just mention three passages. Please give me your interpretation of these passages:

Phil 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

1 Corinthians 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

There you go. I added nothing or removed nothing.

God bless you in your faith journey. Hey, it took me 22 years for the lightbulb to finally turn on. Jesus didn’t say “on this rock I will write my Bible to leave for all future generations to interpret how they want to”. Jesus didn’t say “on this rock I will build my churches that all teach contradictory doctrines based on private interpretation”.


86 posted on 08/01/2007 6:53:18 AM PDT by CatholicTim
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