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To: aMorePerfectUnion

That is insufficient proof. I showed you contrary evidence. I can show just as nonsensical evidence as well. Heck I can show his support of Mormonism. His Gettysburgh address sounds like Joseph’s Anti-Slavery Platform which Lincoln heard when they both lived in Illinois. Or how about this beauty:


Abraham Lincoln walked down the cold streets of Washington, D.C., on November 18, 1861, to the Library of Congress and checked out a couple of books. Lincoln’s signature and his government office, “President, U.S.,” appears in the library ledger which notes that he took a copy of the Book of Mormon. Records show that he returned the book on July 29, 1862. He later had two other books delivered to the White House, Gunnison’s Mormons and Hyde’s Mormonism. Lincoln was already familiar with the Latter-day Saint people since he had met Joseph Smith in Illinois and was a signer on the original charter for Nauvoo.



595 posted on 07/29/2007 8:59:02 PM PDT by nowandlater (Ron Paul....doing the job Americans, er, McCain won't, er, can't do--Ron has more COH LOL!)
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To: nowandlater

Dang, more evidence that Lincoln was the most Mormon friendly U.S. President ever.


Many Mormons in Utah viewed the events in the east as fulfillment of statements made by their prophet/founder Joseph Smith nearly thirty years earlier: “Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina.” In a later statement made in 1843, Smith added: “The commencement of the difficulties which will cause much bloodshed previous to the coming of the Son of Man will be in South Carolina. It may probably arise through the slave question.”

Even while the Latter-day Saints believed that the dissolution of the Union vindicated their prophet’s statements, they also had profound regard for and belief in the divine nature of the U.S. Constitution. Such potentially conflicting emotions created a unique atmosphere in Utah.

Because some Saints construed Smith’s words to mean that the Second Coming of Christ was near at hand, they also had mixed emotions about the Civil War. In addition, they still were insecure in the aftermath of the Utah War. While they were interested in self-rule and state’s rights questions, it is apparent that the people in Utah never really seriously considered supporting the Confederacy. In fact, on numerous occasions they affirmed their loyalty to the Union. Although the majority were suspicious of Lincoln’s policies during the early days of his presidency, the Saints changed their attitude, especially after a reported favorable statement made by Lincoln about them gained general circulation in Utah.

President Abraham Lincoln, it was reported, said that when he was a boy there was a lot of timber to be cleared from his farm. Sometimes he came to a log that was “too hard to split, too wet to burn, and too heavy to move,” so he plowed around it. That, Lincoln contended, was exactly what he planned to do about the Mormons in Utah. “You go back and tell Brigham Young that if he will let me alone I will let him alone.”

The Saints did not send men to the battlefields in the east to fight in the war, nor were they invited to do so. Some Utahns did go, but on an individual basis. Brigham Young believed that the dissolution of the Union would possibly be the end of the nation. The war was also seen by many Mormons as divine retribution upon the nation that had allowed the Saints to be driven from their homes, unprotected from the mobs, on several occasions. Following the departure of Cumming and Johnston, the troops at Camp Floyd also left by July 1861. This allowed the Saints to demonstrate their loyalty to the Union. Members of the Nauvoo Legion, the local militia, performed short-term volunteer service guarding the mail line. Another significant act of loyalty occurred when Brigham Young was given the privilege of sending the first message from Salt Lake City on the newly completed transcontinental telegraph in October 1861. His message to Lincoln: “Utah has not seceded, but is firm for the Constitution and laws of our once happy country.”

In April 1862 President Lincoln asked Young to provide a full company of one hundred men to protect the stage and telegraph lines and overland mail routes in Green River County (now southern Wyoming).


596 posted on 07/29/2007 9:04:38 PM PDT by nowandlater (Ron Paul....doing the job Americans, er, McCain won't, er, can't do--Ron has more COH LOL!)
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To: nowandlater; aMorePerfectUnion

I’m with nowandlater. Hearsay just doesn’t cut it. Show some definitive proof, not secondhand accounts. There should be plenty of Lincoln’s writings to rely upon to document where he expressed a belief in Christ as his Savior if that is what he believed.


599 posted on 07/29/2007 9:07:13 PM PDT by ComeUpHigher
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To: nowandlater

Or, how about this nugget:

“The Latter-day Saints had good reason perhaps to like Abraham Lincoln even before he, as President, enacted his three-word policy of ‘Let them alone.’ In a rebuttal to a previous speech by Stephen A. Douglas, who appeared to support the extension of slavery under the guise of popular sovereignty, Lincoln addressed a large crowd in Springfield, Illinois in 1857. ‘There is nothing,’ he said, ‘in the United States Constitution or law against polygamy; and why is it not a part of the Judge’s ‘sacred right of self-government’ for that people to have it, or rather to keep it, if they choose?’ This did not mean Lincoln supported polygamy but merely that if popular sovereignty was desirable, the people in Utah should decide the issue.”
Source: http://www.aml-online.org/reviews/b/B200323.html

And a couple of other interesting quotes:

“The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma.”
-Abraham Lincoln
Source: http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/2140

“When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That’s my religion.”
-Abraham Linoln
Source: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin106095.html

Oh, and just while we’re on the topic of well-respected heretics, here’s a little something to tickle the ecclesiastical parochialists in the crowd:

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”
-Mahatma Gandhi
Source: http://www.quotedb.com/quotes/1905


602 posted on 07/29/2007 9:24:27 PM PDT by tantiboh
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To: nowandlater

Which Mormon publication gave you this information?

Why should we believe it?


619 posted on 07/30/2007 5:26:57 AM PDT by colorcountry (To pursue union at the expense of truth is treason to the Lord Jesus. - Charles Haddon Spurgeon -)
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