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Posted on 07/26/2007 5:03:33 PM PDT by tantiboh
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Can’t you answer the question? I haven’t seen the answer. Maybe I missed it.
Is there any scriptural authority to perform Temple ordinances? I think it is an excellent question.
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(which is in reference to Deuteronomy 23:1)
The Mormon PR you see deals with their emphasis on family values. They are trying to attract people who are concerned for their families well being. Many people, yourself included, base their opinions of Mormons on the perception that they are not a Christian faith. If the LDS church was trying to influence voters I think the ads you saw from them would challenge this perception.
Did you that the LDS has no Scriptural AUTHORITY for whast they do in their Temple?
I appreciate the fact that you posted the Blake Ostler works. He raised many of the same concerns that I have, but the basic questions remain unanswered. I pointed out some of the twisted logic and changed meanings of words he used to try to make his case.
You did not address my concerns, but then pasted the Geisler work to somehow show that God the Father has a body. I don’t see the connection, and I wonder why you would do that other than to distract from original question.
But I will answer your questions, and I hope you will go back and try to answer mine.
in the next life we will have Jesus Christ and all that he saved with bodies, but darn it, God that Father will not have a Body!
Yes, in the next life we will have resurrected bodies. As a child, I actually hoped that in the next life I would be a spirit, just like an angel not bound by time and space. But that is not the way God made his plan.
The Bible tells us that when Jesus returns to earth, he will physically raise all those who have died, giving them back the bodies they lost at death. These will be the same bodies people had, but our resurrected bodies will not die and will be transformed into a glorified state, freed from suffering and pain, and enabled to do many of the amazing things Jesus could do with his glorified body. 1 Cor. 15:35–44
I can see how from your background – where you believe that you will become a god – that this reality could be a disappointment. But that is God’s plan, and, after all, he created me and I thank Him for that. I plan to spend the rest of eternity in the presence of God, worshiping Him along with the angels.
Why then is resurrection of the flesh ESSENTIAL to the faith?
Because it is consistent with the revealed word of God in Scripture: "if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised. If Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished" (1 Cor. 15:13–18).
But, in your mistaken theology, if God is really only a spirit then when we are resurrected in the Flesh, we become not closer to God but we become further away?!?!?!
We cannot see God in these bodies of ours. In the next life, in our resurrected bodies, we can see God. I happen to believe that hell is the absence of that vision of God – they will know what they are missing and it will burn for eternity. Being close to God, seeing Him and worshiping Him in His presence is being far closer than we are now. We don’t have to become God to worship Him.
I would believe your point if you can show me where God is referenced as “only” spirit. I see references to God as light. Should I take that as God is “only” light?
We need to apply reason when it comes to reading Scripture, and look for consistency and context. When Christ said “I am the vine”, “I am the door,” we shouldn’t think in literal terms. It just doesn’t make sense that the example Christ was giving should be taken literally – He is not a vine or a door, but we get thepoint. The same with the light. The same with Ps. 91:4—"He will cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you will find refuge" I don’t believe God has feathers or wings, but I get the point, and this is consistent with other Scripture, for example, when in Exodus God told Moses he carried them on eagle’s wings.
I find that when God uses the “is” word, it means “is” and not something else. Like when God said “17And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." Mat 3:17 I know Christ is the Son of God. So when Jesus teaches us: "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." John 4:24, this means God has no body, because a spirit is, by nature, an incorporeal being. This is also consistent where Jesus tells us elsewhere, "a spirit has not flesh and bones" (Luke 24:39).
So now I ask you, how is a changing God consistent with the unchanging God described in Mormon and Moroni?
-> 30-61% of Americans Won’t Vote for a Mormon, I wonder why,
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In all due respect if there is or isn’t shoul I answer that question to someone who is hostile towards the Church!
LDS really don’t to answer every question of one who will could rend their words!
Believe what you want!
thats alright I am having typing trouble on my side too!
You see the buggers gone now but I smile anyways!
Cheerfully and Merrily
That’s true resty.
But you and I (and apparently elsie) know there is no scriptural authority to perform Temple ordinances. If so, we would like to see them.
The Bible tells us: But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
--Resty
Oh dear there that other voice poping into the conversation.
Some things he can hear or see and it is driving him buggy!
No unclean thing can enter in....
What does the pope have to do with this conversation?
Is he the unclean thing you speak of?
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