Good job on attacking the messenger. Someone that you do not know and have no idea what he stands for. The fact of the matter is that Catholics for years have had to walk out to their cars and find really stupid "tracts" on their windshields that attack their beliefs. Generally those tracts are put together by people who are either ignorant or liars. One does not have to be a "coastal elite leftist" to see this.
(not to mention the whining about the persecution of his "indigenous" ancestors by big bad Anglo-Saxons; that gets old too).
Yes, pointing out that the British were barbarians in Ireland is so passe. We should all know about every single instance where a Catholic misbehaved but we must never show where Protestants that they have behaved themselves more like Muslims toward their conquered subjects than Christian. That's just "old".
Let the Catholic Church stop teaching that the Bible is mythology and a great deal of my own hostility will end.
Could you show me in the Catechism where the Catholic Church teaches that? If not, retract it and admit that you are doing exactly what the author describes. It is hilarious how people describe "what Catholic believe" and then attack what they say Catholic believe.
Catholics have been hit over the head with the Bible by Protestants for so long that they've come to distrust it.
Please provide an an example of this or retract your statement and admit that you are full of it.
Now they've convinced themselves that total inerrancy is merely an adjunct of "sola scriptura" so now they're against it.
I say this in all charity. You have absolutely no idea about the topic you are speaking of. Your understanding of Catholicism is so far off that it is almost laughable. Please read up on the topics and when you have an understanding of Catholic teaching (the real kind not the Dave Hunt version) you can add serious commentary on Church issues.
Despite the author's attacks on liberalism, he sounds like a coastal elite leftist when he attacks the Bible Belt and Fundamentalists
Good job on attacking the messenger. Someone that you do not know and have no idea what he stands for. The fact of the matter is that Catholics for years have had to walk out to their cars and find really stupid "tracts" on their windshields that attack their beliefs. Generally those tracts are put together by people who are either ignorant or liars. One does not have to be a "coastal elite leftist" to see this.
Oh boo freakin' hoo. Catholics leave church and find tracts under their windshield wipers. Call Amnesty International! Haul the perpetrators before the UN! Outlaw Protestant proselytization as a "hate crime" (since Catholics don't proselytize, they have no stake in the matter, do they?). I tell you, it must be hell being a Catholic in bad old Protestant America, especially in the rural hinterlands where people marry their cousins and don't know how to read. And how dare I point out the similarity between this attitude of so many Catholic and that of leftwing coastal elites?
You want to talk about double-standards? I'll tell you about double-standards. How about all the rhetoric about stupid "redneck" Protestants when your own membership during the Middle Ages was hardly made up of people qualified for Mensa? I will never understand why poor whites are needled and attacked ceaselessly for not being intellectuals whereas barefoot illiterate medieval Belgian peasants are held out as the absolute standard of piety. Has it ever occurred to you that our "rednecks" are merely our version of your illiterate medieval Belgian peasants? Or that your church during he Middle Ages would have done something much more drastic to heretics than putting tracts under their windshield wipers?
For some reason the ignorance of poor rural American whites is a vice while everyone else's is a virtue! There's your double-standard!
(not to mention the whining about the persecution of his "indigenous" ancestors by big bad Anglo-Saxons; that gets old too).
Yes, pointing out that the British were barbarians in Ireland is so passe. We should all know about every single instance where a Catholic misbehaved but we must never show where Protestants that they have behaved themselves more like Muslims toward their conquered subjects than Christian. That's just "old".
Ees de 'ow you say de eempeereealeesm! Ees de 'ow you say de coloneealeesm! We make de 'ow you say de rewolution! Sure wish I was "indigenous!"
And why is it all right for Catholic states to treat heretics like slime? Merely because in American Catholics are sophisticated ethnic urban immigrant Democrat union goons who are "victims" of the bigotry of poor barefoot hillbillies, right? Wow. What a deal!
Let the Catholic Church stop teaching that the Bible is mythology and a great deal of my own hostility will end.
Could you show me in the Catechism where the Catholic Church teaches that? If not, retract it and admit that you are doing exactly what the author describes. It is hilarious how people describe "what Catholic believe" and then attack what they say Catholic believe.
Whatever the catechism may say, Catholic books, literature, and Bibles (with the imprimatur) have taught evolution and the documentary hypothesis for decades. Do you deny this? I will not retract my statement because it is true, and your claim that if it isn't in the catechism it isn't "official" is like the John Birch Society claiming as long as the anti-Semitic content of their magazines isn't in their Bulletin then it isn't official!
Have you ever heard of Karl Keating? Have you ever heard of Fr. Peter M. J. Stravinskas? Do you have any idea what these highly visible Catholic apologists teach about total Biblical inerrancy? (They're against it!) How many Catholic children are taught by their bishops, priests, and religious that events of the Bible are nothing more than didactic parables? Where in the entire United States is a parochial school that doesn't teach evolution? This is how the Catholic Church teaches in the real world. Your "it has to be in the catechism" charge is dishonest in the extreme.
And as for the Catechism (which I've had quoted to me enough times on this forum, btw), its words on Biblical inerrancy are weasel words that can be interpreted either as teaching total inerrancy, or only theological inerrancy, according to however the reader wants to interpret it. Too bad the one true original church doesn't have the courage of tiny little rural Protestant sects who aren't afraid to come right out and defend total inerrancy, even if it offends intellectuals!
Catholics have been hit over the head with the Bible by Protestants for so long that they've come to distrust it.
Please provide an an example of this or retract your statement and admit that you are full of it.
Why don't you go to Donal Anthony Foley's Catholic creationist web site and read where he ascribes the Catholic affinity for evolution to a "distrust" of the Bible that entered the church at the time of the Protestant reformation? Or why don't you ask wideawake, since he's admitted this is the case for a majority of American Catholics?
Why are most of your co-religionists on this forum evolutionists and deniers of total Biblical inerrancy? You probably fall into these categories yourself, which makes you a hypocrite for protesting.
Now they've convinced themselves that total inerrancy is merely an adjunct of "sola scriptura" so now they're against it.
I say this in all charity. You have absolutely no idea about the topic you are speaking of. Your understanding of Catholicism is so far off that it is almost laughable. Please read up on the topics and when you have an understanding of Catholic teaching (the real kind not the Dave Hunt version) you can add serious commentary on Church issues.
And I say this to you in all charity: you are an ignoramus. I spent six years in your "unchanged and unchanging" church. To do so I had to reject a lifetime of beliefs and instincts, and every prejudice I ever had about Catholicism was confirmed in those six years. And as for Dave Hunt, so far as I know people like that are still harping on the Papacy and confession; how many Fundamentalist Protestants even know how liberal the Catholic Church really is? If they did, then they'd have some real ammunition!
I ask all members and moderators of this forum once again: what is the difference between the hostility of our urban coastal liberal elites towards the Biblicism of the American Heartland and that of our Catholic "friends" and "allies?" What is the difference between Al Sharpton's or Louis Farrakhans view of the "crackers" and that held by so many American Catholics?
Unfortunately, as members of a historically discriminated against minority group American Catholics behave the exact same way that the rest of them do. And that is obvious from reading this forum.