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To: William Terrell
Veneration is paying respect, honoring, feeling devoted and asking for help. It is normally directed to a saint or a loved person. Worship is recognition of the Divine, awe and sacrficial offering. In Catholic opinion, the Protestnat do not worship god because they do not offer a sacrifice. They sit around and exchange their thoughts about the scripture, and may be sing. This is why, I think, the distinction is blurry to you: you would never kneel to anything, and now you see people kneeling and even prostating themselve before a saint. They worship the saint, you conclude. This is a deficiency in your liturgical life, not mine.

Where does Jesus say to venerate His mother?

In Luke 11:27 we have an instance of veneration. Christ does not forbid it, but he properly directs it: "Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it". In the miracle in Cana, of course, we have an instance of Mary inrceding on behalf of the groom's family.

A reasonable man does not read [John 19:26-27] in itself and come away with your meaning

I do not think your reading is reasonable, because Jesus, Who knew the approaching passion, could have made the economic arrangements for His mother ahead of time. The reason he united St. John and His Mother at the pinnacle of His sacrifice must be related to the sacrifice itself, and its purpose.

Try again to show the woman in Revelation is Mary

The woman is shown giving physical birth (Apoc 12:2) to a man Who is described as Jesus Christ functionally (verses 5 and 11), and by title as the Christ (verse 10).

670 posted on 07/26/2007 1:37:03 PM PDT by annalex
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To: annalex
I've seen what I've seen. People on other threads on this topic have posted pictures, actual photographs, and posted church sanctioned prayers, along with excepts from written Catholic policy about Mary.

I've posted the definition of "veneration", and what I've seen seems to fit that definition. If the church has redefined that word, speak with the church.

In Luke 11:27 we have an instance of veneration. Christ does not forbid it, but he properly directs it: "Yea rather, blessed are they who hear the word of God, and keep it". In the miracle in Cana, of course, we have an instance of Mary inrceding on behalf of the groom's family.

What are you talking about? You're actually taking an instance where Jesus spreads a call to respect His mother specifically to the general attitude of all believers and interpret it as veneration?

I do not think your reading is reasonable, because Jesus, Who knew the approaching passion, could have made the economic arrangements for His mother ahead of time. The reason he united St. John and His Mother at the pinnacle of His sacrifice must be related to the sacrifice itself, and its purpose.

I think you read entirely too much into the passage. He probably did already arrange it and repeated Himself in the press on the cross as His body was dying.

It would seem that if such was the case, we would have heard more about it and about Mary in the acts and the letters, but we don't. At all, except one mention in Acts.

Don't you think that if Mary had the status that the church affords to Mary, this would have been mentioned somewhere in the rest of the New Testament? Mediatrix/co-redemptrix with the Lord HImself?

The woman is shown giving physical birth (Apoc 12:2) to a man Who is described as Jesus Christ functionally (verses 5 and 11), and by title as the Christ (verse 10).

Goodness. Read what else is said about the woman. Does it fit real events that could happen within the context of physical reality? Regard the timeframe. Every single word in Revelation is symbolism. The woman is a symbol. How can the church even go there with honest intent.

693 posted on 07/26/2007 5:56:30 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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