Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: MarkBsnr
Six years in the Catholic Church? Such an attitude!!!

Please forgive me for holding to my belief that the Word of G-d contains no errors of any kind. Certainly this was most unreasonable. [/sarcasm]

Where, might I ask, and under what conditions?

I was a simple convert who read my way into the church (you have to do this since the Catholic Church doesn't evangelize; that's something only "stupid Baptist hillbillies" would do, right?). And I was a member in my home area of the Upper South where my county had no Catholic Church to attend, so I had to drive to another city every week. Of course, the Catholic Church doesn't really want people like live in my county, so I suppose everyone is happy about that.

Then I went to a very liberal university outside my home region and when I turned to "my" church for help when the Bbile was being ripped to shreds it wasn't there for me. In fact, the "official" denominational counsellor at my school for Catholics tole me I should leave the Chruch becaue the way I thought "wasn't Catholic." But since I believed the Catholic Church was the "one true church" I couldn't do that at that time, so I had to settle for being a "second class citizen" in the Catholic Church.

Maybe you'll explain why Biblical miracles are more irrational than post-Biblical miracles?

243 posted on 07/24/2007 1:23:57 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Nafelah `ateret ro'sheinu, 'oy-na' lanu ki chata'nu!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 215 | View Replies ]


To: Zionist Conspirator

Zionist Conspirator -

You had a horrible experience at your college. It was dreadful that they told you that you should leave the Church.

I am a recent convert to the Catholic Church myself and I believe that the Bible is 100% true. I take it completely literally. Seven days for creation is just as true as John 6. The official teaching of the Church is in the Catechism and I know that it teaches that Scripture is infallible, so you definitely believe as the Church believes.

There are many within the Church who want to destroy her, so you must take a lot of what other people say with a grain of salt. The official version is the Catechism, so go with that.

I will pray that you come back to the Church. Our Holy Father, Benedict XVI, is making great strides in undoing the mess caused by the “spirit” of Vatican II (just another word for liberals run amuck.) You were right when you said you believed that the Church was the “one true Church,” because it is. Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail upon it. He also said that there would be a lot of wolves trying to get to the sheep. We have many wolves in shepherd’s clothing in the Church today, but Jesus will correct it all.

I will pray for you, that you will return. If I may be of any help or answer any questions, please FReepmail me.

nan c


271 posted on 07/24/2007 1:43:27 PM PDT by nanetteclaret (“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, there’s always laughter and good red wine.” Hilaire Belloc)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 243 | View Replies ]

To: Zionist Conspirator

The Catholic Church teaches Biblical inerrancy. We believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I am truly sorry that you have come away with the impression that you have. I don’t know what a denomination counsellor is, but that person did you an immense disservice. I regard Biblical miracles as, well, just that. Miraculous. Not irrational. I don’t think that I quite understand this question.


The Catholic Church teaches that Sacred Scripture is truly the Word of God. Through the Bible, God unveils Himself, communicates His plan of salvation, and calls us to a relationship with Him.

The Church has long taught that we can approach the Scriptures with a rock-solid confidence because they are inspired by God Himself and therefore contain no error. This inerrancy is a great gift because it gives the Bible a credibility on which we can base our lives. God inspired the Scriptures in order to give us a fully trustworthy source about what we are to believe and how we are to act. When read within the Church’s living tradition and magisterial teaching, the Bible is a sure guide for our lives.

The basis for the Church’s teaching on biblical inerrancy is inspiration. Here we must remember that the Bible is different from any other book. It is unique because it has a unique author: God Himself. As St. Paul says,

All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work (2 Tim. 3:16-17).

Inspiration literally means “God-breathed.” This is why the Church teaches that the Scriptures “have God as their author.” God worked through human writers who “consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more.” (Vatican II, Dei Verbum, no. 11, emphasis added). Thus, while the human writers made full use of their own powers and abilities, they were at the same time inspired by the Holy Spirit so that the words of Scripture are written exactly the way God Himself intended. Indeed, the Scriptures contain the very words of God expressed in the words of men (ibid., nos. 13, 16).

Since the words of Scripture are inspired by God Himself, the Church has always taught that every part of the Bible is without error. Otherwise “error” in the Bible would have to be attributed to God, who is Supreme Truth and “can neither deceive nor be deceived.”

Pope Leo XIII in his 1893 encyclical Providentissimus Deus explained:

“[S]o far is it from being possible that any error can coexist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error, but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true. This is the ancient and unchanging faith of the Church” (II, D, 2, a, emphasis added).

Pope Pius XII reaffirmed the inerrancy of the Bible in his 1943 encyclical Divino Afflante Spiritu. He compared Scripture’s inerrancy to Christ’s sinlessness: “For as the substantial Word of God became like to men in all things, ‘except sin,’ so the words of God, expressed in human language, are made like to human speech in every respect, except error” (no. 37).

Vatican II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church likewise affirm the fact that God’s inspiration of the Scriptures leaves no room for any error in the Bible: “Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures” (Dei Verbum, no. 11; Catechism, no. 107, emphasis added).

Is Inerrancy Limited to Matters of Faith and Morals?
Despite these explicit statements on biblical inerrancy, some have taught that the Scripture’s inerrancy is restricted only to “religious matters,” arguing that the Bible is without error only when it deals with matters of faith and morals. However, when it comes to non-religious matters of history or “background details,” these critics argue that God may have permitted human errors to exist alongside more important religious truths.

But this position has been refuted repeatedly by the Church because it necessarily limits God’s inspiration of the sacred texts. Leo XIII explained inspiration and inerrancy cannot be restricted only to religious matters of the Bible:

“[I]t is absolutely wrong and forbidden either to narrow inspiration to certain parts only of Holy Scripture or to admit that the sacred writer has erred. As to the system of those who . . . do not hesitate to concede that divine inspiration regards the things of faith and morals, and nothing beyond . . . this system cannot be tolerated” (Providentissimus Deus, II, D, 3, emphasis added). The Bible must therefore be inerrant not only in “religious truths,” but in all its intended affirmations.

Pope Benedict XV in Spiritus Paraclitus (1920) also emphasized the Bible’s absolute immunity from error. He went so far as to say that “belief in the biblical narrative is as necessary to salvation as is belief in the doctrines of the faith” (III, 3). After explicitly condemning any position that restricts inerrancy only to so-called “religious” elements of the Bible, he quotes St. Jerome, the “Father of Biblical Science,” who wrote more than 1,500 years ago that “[i]t would be wholly impious to limit inspiration to only certain portions of Scripture or to concede that the sacred authors themselves could have erred” (III, 1).

Avoiding Fundamentalism: The Problem of Literalistic Interpretation
The Church teaches that the Bible is inerrant in all that the sacred writers intended t o affirm. The Pontifical Biblical Commission’s 1993 document The Interpretation of the Bible in the Church makes the important distinction between the literal sense of Scripture and a literalistic interpretation. The literal sense is “that which has been expressed directly by the inspired authors.” To arrive at the literal sense, one must interpret the text according to the literary conventions of the time, considering the author’s intention, literary genre, and historical context. A literalistic reading disregards these considerations.

For example, when Christ warns that it is better for you to cut your hand off if it causes you to sin (Mk. 9:43), He is using a literary metaphor. However, a literalistic reading would take this teaching of Christ at face value and wrongly encourage cutting off portions of the body that cause one to sin! Similarly, when Ps. 73:20 speaks of God awakening, this is not meant to teach that Yahweh actually sleeps at night and gets up in the morning, but rather this figurative language describes how God, after remaining seemingly unresponsive to a situation, begins to take action like a man awaking from sleep.

When it comes to matters of natural science, the Church teaches that the sacred authors did not necessarily intend to teach physics, astronomy, or chemistry. For example, when the Scriptures describe the sun as moving around the earth (cf. Ps. 19: 4-6; Eccles. 1:5), the sacred writer was not intending to give astronomy lessons. A literalistic approach would have to deny the modern scientific data showing that the earth revolves around the sun.

However, the writers were intending to report what appeared to their senses, and did so accurately. As Pope Leo XIII explained, “they did not seek to penetrate the secrets of nature, but rather described and dealt with things in more or less figurative language, or in terms which were commonly used at the time . . . . Ordinary speech primarily and properly describes what comes under the senses; and somewhat in the same way the sacred writers . . . went by what sensibly appeared” (Providentissimus Deus, II, D, 2, b).

We commonly speak this way. When the weatherman says the sun will rise tomorrow at 6 a.m., we do not accuse him of a great astronomical blunder. He is accurate in his statement because he is not intending to teach about the movement of the sun, but to tell us about what appears to our senses by using common figurative language. Likewise, the above biblical texts that describe the sun’s movement around the earth are inerrant. The sacred writers reported without error what they intended to report— not natural science, but what really appeared to the senses.

These principles can be used for demonstrating the inerrancy of other biblical passages that are often accused of being erroneous in light of modern science.

Taking God’s Word Seriously
Similarly, when it comes to matters of history, we must consider the writer’s intention. If the writer is intending to offer a historical narrative, then the account provides an accurate presentation of what actually occurred in history. But the case is different if the writer is intending to incorporate an allegory or parable.

For example, Luke 10:29-37 gives the account of Jesus’ telling a lawyer the parable of the “Good Samaritan.” A literalistic interpretation might wrench this parable out of its context and conclude that Luke is reporting a historical event involving an actual “Good Samaritan” who helped someone beaten by robbers. However, when this scene is read in context, one recognizes that Luke is simply giving an account of an instance when Jesus told a parable as part of His teaching ministry. We do not need to conclude that there was an actual “Good Samaritan.” What we can be sure of, however, is that Jesus really did tell this parable in the way Luke reports it.

Let’s return to the account of the multiplication of the loaves and fishes (Jn. 6:1-14). As mentioned above, some have misinterpreted this passage by saying that Jesus really didn’t multiply loaves and fishes. Rather, they claim that the real miracle was that Jesus was able to get the people to share with those who didn’t have food. The early Christian community invented the part about a multiplication of loaves and fishes in order to express the deeper miracle of sharing.

Besides the fact that there is nothing in this passage that would support such an interpretation,[1] this approach to the Bible simply fails to take God’s Word seriously. Since this passage is a historical narrative, we can be certain that it faithfully narrates an actual event in the life of Jesus: His multiplying loaves and fishes to feed the 5,000. It is not a legend arising out of the early Christian community. It is not an exaggerated story based on partial truths. Since the sacred writer intended to narrate an event in Christ’s life, the entire narrative in all its parts must be inerrant, communicating truthfully all the author intended to affirm since “everything asserted by the inspired authors . . . must be held to be asserted by the Holy Spirit” (Dei Verbum, no. 11).

Here we must stress that even the smaller details of a historical narrative are inerrant. Consequently, we know that Jesus multiplied the food from five barley loaves and two fishes and that 12 baskets of bread were left over—just as the narrative tells us. What may appear as mere “background information” is important because even these details are inspired by God and thus are trustworthy. Besides, if a sacred writer could err on “smaller details” surrounding Jesus’ life, how could he be trusted in reporting larger matters which are much more difficult to believe, such as the Resurrection?

Further, we must keep in mind that historical accuracy of a testimony was important for the Jews (e.g., Suzannah’s trial in Dan. 14 and the accounts of Jesus’ trial before the high priest in which He could not be condemned because of false testimonies that “did not agree”). Thus, we can expect similar standards for the biblical testimonies to the life of Christ as well as for the historical narratives of the Old Testament.

Contradictions in the Bible?
Some may say that there are contradictions within the Bible itself and conclude that the Bible cannot be 100% inerrant. For example, in Mk. 2:26 Jesus says Abiathar was high priest when David ate the bread of the Presence, but 1 Sam. 21:1 says Ahimelech was the priest at that time. On the surface this seems to be a blatant contradiction. However, when we realize that Abiathar was the son of Ahimelech (1 Sam. 23:6) and that the high priesthood was shared by a father and a son (cf. Lk. 3:2; Jn. 18:13), we see that Jesus’ statement (as recorded by St. Mark) is accurate. 1 Sam. 21:1 and Mk. 2:26 are both accurate—both Ahimelech and Abiathar were called high priest as father and son.

There are dozens of other difficult passages in the Bible that may on the surface appear to be erroneous or contradictory—many of which can be easily demonstrated as reconcilable and a few which are a little more difficult to understand. But we must keep in mind that God put difficulties in the sacred texts in order to humble us, so that we may trust more in God’s inspiration of the Scriptures than in our own ability to study them. Pope Pius XII wrote:

“God wished difficulties to be scattered through the Sacred Books inspired by Him, in order that we might be urged to read and scrutinize them more intently, and, experiencing in a salutary manner our own limitations, we might be exercised in due submission of mind” (Divine Afflante Spiritu, no. 45).

In the end, the Church calls us to adopt a reverential attitude toward the Scriptures. St. Augustine never would accuse the sacred writers of the slightest mistake, even in the smallest details. When he came across difficulties in the Bible—difficulties which even his great intellect could not resolve—he did not conclude that there was an error in the Bible. Rather, he humbly accepted the difficult texts as true because he was humble enough to recognize his own limitations in the face of the inspired and inerrant Word of God. He wrote:

On my own part I confess to your charity that it is only to those books of Scripture which are now called canonical that I have learned to pay such honor and reverence as to believe most firmly that none of their writers has fallen into any error. And if in these books I meet anything which seems contrary to truth, I shall not hesitate to conclude either that the text is faulty [a defective copy of the Bible], or that the translator has not expressed the meaning of the passage, or that I myself do not understand.

http://www.cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=22


276 posted on 07/24/2007 1:49:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 243 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson