Posted on 07/23/2007 3:36:15 PM PDT by annalex
He didn't say NO. He simply ignored an opportunity. If Mary were who the church thinks she is, He would have confirmed it. He didn't.
>>He didn’t say NO. <<
Amen, amen, amen!
Then answer this....
A parent has two children.
One makes me a birthday card with circles and scratches
One spends the whole piggy bank on a card with a poem and great art work.
Which child whould that parent love more?
Which would the parent correct?
I don't hate Catholics, but I'm deeply contemptuous of the policy declaring men in the Catholic church and regard them as running a con job on innocent folks.
It turns out that you didn’t. I’ve been engaged in too many different but similar conversations to be able to keep them straight.
Many apologies. You did not say that. I retract that statement.
If you take a look back at what it was that he replied to—your post 679—you'll note that your last 3 words to him were, "I know you".
Oh sure, in your very next post, you attempted to clarify that statement. Your attempt failed because, for whatever reason, although you removed your own name from the To: field, you failed to enter his. Therefore, since the post wasn't addressed to him, it didn't show up on his Pings (aka My Comments) page, and that surely explains why he apparently didn't see it.
Regardless, I think his earlier gender gap comment described the situation perfectly. In certain cases, any attempt to bridge that gap is simply wasted effort.
My mistake.
However, with this....
>>Regardless, I think his earlier gender gap comment described the situation perfectly. In certain cases, any attempt to bridge that gap is simply wasted effort.<<
I restated it, taking all gender references out.
He still didn’t answer.
Likely because it had nothing to do with the gender of your cute little 'question' but, rather, that of your self. :)
Well, that’s really nice of you to state his intentions, but until he comes in and answers it, I’ll be waiting.
“I don’t hate Catholics, but I’m deeply contemptuous of the policy declaring men in the Catholic church and regard them as running a con job on innocent folks.”
W.T., I know you don’t hate Catholics. Do you think the Church hierarchy knows they worship Mary and tricks the laity into not knowing? Do Catholics choose to worship Mary?
Freegards
LOL. More evidence to support to the theory.
>>LOL. More evidence to support to the theory<<
I’m sorry, I’m not getting what you are saying at all.
Paul, in discussing faith before Jesus came, pointed to the faith of Abraham, and others, as an example of the faith that Jesus preached. Nowhere did he mention Mary.
If Mary is so important, why was she not mentioned in all of the New Testament beyond when she was alive, even beyond when Jesus gave her to John to take care of her?
But Mary's divinity wasn't recognized by Peter, Paul and the rest of the teachers and disciples? Until the Catholic ecumenical council realized the truth? You probably should examine this very closely.
You have no Biblical authority for deification of the lady - you have already capitalized an pronoun that refers to her ("Who she was"), mother of Jesus or not. I note she was the mother of Jesus, as God commanded, which she willingly submitted. But nowhere in scripture is there anything even resembling what the Catholic church teaches about her. Nothing, nada, zilch, zero.
The church has made all this up out of whole cloth.
Why would the church do that? I have one theory. To reach the women. To create a female principle to balance the male principle, because Jesus was male, and a female symbol focuses attracts and binds women, especially those not already attached to a man.
It is a marketing technique, but technique it is. And Catholic leadership is composed of brilliant men. I've read some apologies translated from the Latin on social issues. Tight and right.
In the spirit of believing that they're The Church charged with the salvation of all souls, compose exclusively the Body of Christ and have the divine authority to accomplish that mission, it is not a great mental leap to presume they would use any tactic to do their Biblical duty to their legacy from monarchical lineage from Jesus to Peter.
The problem as I see it is that this is not the way Jesus said to do it. And I believe paganistic goddess worship has consequences personal and social.
The scriptures, in Jesus' words, said that He is the truth and the life, and no one goes to the Father except by Him. Where is Mary shoehorned into to that? Show me. Point it out.
What church doctrine is or is not matters little when it follows scripture, written by those who were witnesses, close to the time it happened. It must not conflict with what is already written, or it is false doctrine. Paul was clear on this more than once.
You don't need to follow my logic. Read the scriptures. I think the church needs correcting, and that's the member's job.
Then the parents would be judged, I would think. What do you think?
Just Study Our Lady of Guadalupe and her appearnces in Mexico to Juan Diego..... in 1521. 3000 per day for 3 years converted to Catholicism.. the Cactus Tilma still hangs in the Church she asked to be built in her sons name.
Study Fatima... and her appearance to the the 3 Local Kids and how she warned of WWI and WW2 and Russia becoming an evil empire.
Study our Lady of La Salette and little Melanie in France..
Or studying the 4 Jesuits in Hiroshima Loyola House saying the Rosary to Mary and were spared being harmed while everything around them was decimated.
Look at Vailakannanni India during the Tsunami a few Christmas past a Crowd of over 1000 people were Packed in a church saying the Rosary the town was decimated but not a drop of water entered the Church..
There are numerous cases now happening in the world .. 0ne is Medjugorje... Bosnia Croatian area.. I plan to go there in two weeks..
The Rosary...
The Hail Mary we pray is from gospel of Luke..
The our Father is from Christ and the
Trinity is from the Hebrew version...where Plural is used... in speaking of God..
Catholocism was Founded by Christ anything else is man thinking he knows more than Christ... Christ expects us to bear the Cross of being Catholic something I proudly do!
WT,
I had said that I was ready to finish this exchange with you, but I feel compelled to come back and correct you about something.
I didn’t capitalize “Who” for Mary—it was for JESUS. I said “Who she was bearing”. The Who is Jesus. How can you miscontrue that? Why did you leave out that crucial word “bearing” and then put an erroneous twist on what I wrote?
Next-—”female principle” and “marketing technique”.
“Attracts women, especially those not associated with a man”.
For crying out loud—what a stretch.
You call it your “one theory”. I suggest you prove it. Theories can come right and left and out of nowhere and it doesn’t make them Truth.
It’s truth that we should wish to seek and serve.
You go on to say that “it doesn’t take a great mental leap to presume that they (the Church) would use any tactic”. A great mental leap—yes, I guess it doesn’t take a GREAT mental leap to “PRESUME”——but I do think that it would take logic and good/correct information based on provable facts. Other than doing it that way, I surely can see that it’s not a great mental leap.
Then you go on to write that the problem as I see it”—and that you “believe paganistic goddess worship has consequences personal and social....”.
These are your theories, mental leaps, presumptions and beliefs. I understand that.
I also think you have used hyperbole, exaggerration, incorrect information, presumption and theories to present your viewpoint and I’m not one bit swayed.
Whatever you want to say in reply I will most likely not read and will not make any further replies to you.
I wish you blessings.
ROE
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