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To: HarleyD
Was that gift of grace taken back by God?

apparently so.

Regards

9,900 posted on 10/25/2007 10:20:08 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus
Why would God take His gift back? Didn't God know this man wouldn't use it in the first place? What you are essentially saying is that God gives grace and then He takes it away if you don't do what He says. Does that sound very loving?

Infusion and imputed righteousness is an interesting topic. The reason traditional Protestants never believed in infused righteousness is because the term "infused" is never used in scripture. Instead scripture uses the term imputed righteousness.

And again...

The difference we can see from Paul and James is that once this righteousness was imputed to Abraham, Abraham was called a Friend of God. It's a one time act and a gift. Applying that to your example, this man who had grace imputed to him would have been called a Friend of God. Do you believe God would take His Friendship away? What's more, does God offer this friendship to everyone?

What makes this discussion interesting is that I believe there might be some truth in what you're saying as applied to Protestants today. Many Protestants may actually believe in infusion verse imputation but not in the exact same way Catholics understand it. They believe that God has given them a spark of goodness through the Holy Spirit to go forward and do good things. This is the reason God loves them. Furthermore, once this spark is given to them they can't lose it which is NOT what Catholics believe.

Although this sound VERY typical of most Protestants theology today it was not the Reformer's teaching. While I have not read or digest Calvin's entire understanding on this issue, I doubt very strongly if Calvin believe in infused grace. I can understand someone making a case that God infuses us with His righteousness and that is what He looks at which is what I believe you are saying Calvin might have believed.

Hmmmm...this is extremely interesting. I'm rambling now so I'll summarize my thoughts if for no other reason than to bore everyone.


9,909 posted on 10/26/2007 6:09:14 AM PDT by HarleyD
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