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To: Forest Keeper
Do you believe that God answers the prayers of the people He created for hell?(as you say)

....Or does the calvinists believe these people are created without the ability to pray or do anything out of love at all?

Surly, the “all knowing” brilliant, John Calvin must have addressed this too -:)

9,830 posted on 10/25/2007 5:27:54 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi; kosta50; jo kus; MarkBsnr; P-Marlowe; xzins; Kolokotronis; D-fendr; Dr. Eckleburg; ...
Do you believe that God answers the prayers of the people He created for hell? (as you say) ....Or do the Calvinists believe these people are created without the ability to pray or do anything out of love at all?

The latter. The Bible tells us that God does not hear the "prayers" of the lost:

Isa 59:2 : But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear.

Prov 15:29 : The Lord is far from the wicked but he hears the prayer of the righteous.

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Surely, the “all knowing” brilliant, John Calvin must have addressed this too -:)

Of course! :) Here is what he says:

Section 7 - ...... One of the requisites of legitimate prayer is repentance. Hence the common declaration of Scripture, that God does not listen to the wicked; that their prayers, as well as their sacrifices, are an abomination to him. For it is right that those who seal up their hearts should find the ears of God closed against them, that those who, by their hardheartedness, provoke his severity should find him inflexible. In Isaiah he thus threatens: "When ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood" (Isa 1:15). In like manner, in Jeremiah, "Though they shall cry unto me, I will not hearken unto them" (Jer 11:7,8,11); because he regards it as the highest insult for the wicked to boast of his covenant while profaning his sacred name by their whole lives. Hence he complains in Isaiah: "This people draw near to me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me; but have removed their heart far from men" (Isa 29:13). Indeed, he does not confine this to prayers alone, but declares that he abominates pretense in every part of his service. ...... (from Calvin: Of Prayer.)

9,948 posted on 10/27/2007 3:10:00 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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