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To: HarleyD
I wrote: Actually, I have read a bit about Calvin, and it seemed that he believed in the infusion of righteousness in nearly a Catholic sense.

Harley responded: There is a subtle difference between "man's" will and "free" will. Here is an excellent passage by Calvin's on the two. It is rather long but these people sure like to write.

Sorry to say this, Harley, but I was not commenting on free will, but on infused righteousness. In other words, that man is actually changed inside, not just an external righteousness that is not really ours. We have been talking about Harley being righteous because of God's Spirit. I had thought that Calvin approached the Catholic point of view on that subject. Do you have any comment on that?

On free will, I do disagree with Mr. Calvin. I prefer Augustine and Aquinas.

Regards

9,803 posted on 10/24/2007 7:20:15 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus

***In other words, that man is actually changed inside,...***

Yes, this is what we believe also. A Man saved by God is a NEW creation, eternally changed.

***On free will, I do disagree with Mr. Calvin. I prefer Augustine and Aquinas.***

How do you feel abot Luther :>)


9,805 posted on 10/24/2007 7:28:11 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: jo kus
Sorry to say this, Harley, but I was not commenting on free will, but on infused righteousness. In other words, that man is actually changed inside, not just an external righteousness that is not really ours.

You know, I was in a hurry, pressed the button, ran into the showers and then realized that I was off in La-La Land with that response. While it was a brillant response, it had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with your question to me. I didn't get back to it until now.

I can't find any evidence that Calvin believed in infused righteousness rather than imputed. Just to be clear on what we're talking about:

That being the ground rules, I would also add that the Catholic concept of infused righteousness is that this righteousness "runs down or out". This is a critical distinction in my mind.

Whether God gives man this righteousness of Christ or God sees Christ instead of us, the righteousness that God sees is Christ. It makes no difference although I would insist it is still imputed righteousness. The real difference is that Catholics believe this grace that God infuse in us can run out and needs to be recharged like a battery. Calvin in no way supports this.

9,871 posted on 10/25/2007 3:49:19 PM PDT by HarleyD
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