Joe: "Again, I have never gotten that from a Calvinist. You are the first who has told me that Calvinists subjectively believe they are saved/elected."
Joe, didn't we just get done talking about this on this thread? Remember when I said I was sure about my salvation, but I did NOT claim "Divine knowledge"? I didn't say objective or subjective, but from reading this conversation, Fru and I are talking about the identical thing. We consider what is in our own hearts, and we also consider whether the Bible is true. To the extent we can be sure of both of those, we can have assurance in our salvation. From there, assuming the Bible is still true, then we can deduce that we are of the elect.
Considering my responses to you, how could you think that I thought you were "subjectively certain" about your salvation? Time and time again, I reminded you about people who fell away, showed you verses that see the Christian lose his inheritance, tell you that you do not know WHO God has elected for heaven, told you that there are no individual "elect to eternal glory" verses, told you that we don't know if we will persevere, discussed how WE can fall away since we don't know our own future, etc.....
Why on earth would I bring up all of this if I thought you were ONLY "subjectively certain"? CATHOLICS are subjectively certain! But we don't consider ourselves the "elect to eternal glory" at this point with such certainty as you, because it IS subjective!
No, I have never gotten that idea from a Calvin, I'm sorry to say. Frumanchu has told me a first, and I have posted to Calvinists on this subject numerous times...
Regards