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To: HarleyD; blue-duncan; jo kus
Of course it applies to the Messiah. He was predestined and elected in His humanity as were we all

My point was that being the chosen was a God-given purpose and task, not an admisison to an elitist club. As somelone once remarked: "first the cross, then the crown." Christians in general, and Reformed Christians in particular, have forgotten that being God's chosen people was never supposed to be easy. In fact, it was God's only-begotten Son who suffered the most for being the chief among them.

The Jews unfaithfulness does not nullify the promises of God

I certainly never suggested that, because I don't believe that human unfaithfulness nullifies God's promises. God is not the one who falls away from us, but rather we are the ones who fall away from Him through our ingratitude, self-love, arrogance and pride.

9,737 posted on 10/23/2007 6:09:39 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; HarleyD
The Jews unfaithfulness does not nullify the promises of God

The promises of God, as stated in Romans 9-11, are made to the nation of Israel as a whole. This is not to say that each and every JEW will be saved, but that God, for His own reasons, had chosen the Jewish people as His people in the Old Covenant - and for NOTHING that they did. And while Paul laments that the Jewish people as a whole had not accepted the New Covenant, Paul notes at the end of Romans 11 that God can certainly graft the NATION back onto the tree. None of this has anything to do with the individual, as we know that every single Jews will not be saved (check the Psalms...).

The individual Jews that is faithless and rejects God will be reprobate, just as the faithless Catholic who rejects God will be reprobated. Both were at one time members of God's People, the Church, and both individually can lose their inheritance in heaven. But this does not effect the promise made to the Church itself. Those who remain within Holy Mother Church will be saved for eternal glory.

Regards

9,755 posted on 10/23/2007 7:54:24 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: kosta50; blue-duncan; jo kus
God is not the one who falls away from us, but rather we are the ones who fall away from Him through our ingratitude, self-love, arrogance and pride.

Do you believe God would let us fall away from Him?

9,763 posted on 10/24/2007 7:35:13 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: kosta50; HarleyD; jo kus; wmfights; Uncle Chip; OLD REGGIE; Gamecock; Alex Murphy; Frumanchu; ...

“Christians in general, and Reformed Christians in particular, have forgotten that being God’s chosen people was never supposed to be easy”

Where in the world did you get this information? I guess you haven’t been reading about what is going on in the PCUSA, TEC or the battle Christian parents are going through in the government schools or home schooling for their faith, let alone in China and Muslim countries.


9,766 posted on 10/24/2007 8:18:54 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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