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To: D-fendr
Are you saying the Catholic dogma of The Worship Of Mary doesn't exist?

17. For to be right and good, worship of the Mother of God ought to spring from the heart; acts of the body have here neither utility nor value if the acts of the soul have no part in them. Now these latter can only have one object, which is that we should fully carry out what the divine Son of Mary commands. For if true love alone has the power to unite the wills of men, it is of the first necessity that we should have one will with Mary to serve Jesus our Lord. What this most prudent Virgin said to the servants at the marriage feast of Cana she addresses also to us: "Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye" (John ii., 5). Now here is the word of Jesus Christ: "If you would enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matt. xix., 17). Let them each one fully convince himself of this, that if his piety towards the Blessed Virgin does not hinder him from sinning, or does not move his will to amend an evil life, it is a piety deceptive and Iying, wanting as it is in proper effect and its natural fruit.

Pope Pius X - Ad Diem Illum Laetissimus

Looky!! I found a man, a Pope no less, who uses the word "worship" concerning Mary. By your cockamamie logic it becomes a dogma. Right? Or, is it possible that what you found was the writing of one man and could not be considered a dogma of any Church?

9,507 posted on 10/20/2007 12:49:58 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE
Looky!! I found a man, a Pope no less, who uses the word "worship" concerning Mary. By your cockamamie logic it becomes a dogma. Right?

The word "worship" had different connotations when Pius X wrote that. Can you show that he meant that Mary was to be given the same honor and position as God? That is what we mean by the word today, but does that thought exist in the writing of Pius X??? Context will help you when you read writings from men who are not living in our age and use words differently than we do.

Regards

9,514 posted on 10/20/2007 5:09:35 PM PDT by jo kus
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To: OLD REGGIE

I realize your personal creed is “I know nothing.”; however, organized religion, churches, would not last long adopting this. They have “Statement of Principles” or “Confessions” or “Catechisms”.

Using some structure of authority they determine what they hold to be true and what they teach concerning their theology including their interpretation of scriptures.


9,530 posted on 10/20/2007 11:17:51 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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