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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
Isaiah 63 shows that God considers Himself the Savior of even those who are perishing.

I must admit that I certainly didn't expect to hear YOU say THAT!!

What do you mean by it????

9,440 posted on 10/19/2007 12:40:02 PM PDT by xzins (If you will just agree to the murdering of your children, we can win the presidency)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
I must admit that I certainly didn't expect to hear YOU say THAT!! What do you mean by it????

I heard an excellent Reformed sermon on Isa 63 so it's not my material. God considered Himself the Savior of these unbelievers, but from these people perspective they wanted nothing to do with God. I think that is exactly what John and Peter are talking about. Our Lord Jesus blood does not atone for them nor does it cover their sins. Yet God, like the unbelieving Israelites, considers them His Savior.

I will say this is rather bizarre (did I spell it right P-M?). What is even more strange is that God deliberately harden their hearts and caused them to err. Nevertheless there it is and I think it is consistent the what John and Peter states.

It makes perfect sense, now.
9,444 posted on 10/19/2007 1:02:24 PM PDT by HarleyD
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