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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I wrote: Now, the WCF says God makes men whose destinies HE creates

You responded: The WCF is merely restating Scripture. Romans 9:18-21

Romans 9-11 is clearly talking about nations, contrasting the Jews and the Gentiles. God calls which nation that He wills, in whichever order that He wills, granting that the Jews were HIS choice, BEFORE Israel could even merit it. NO ONE can question His choices for calling first the Jews, and then the Gentiles.

In Romans 11, the Scriptures tell us the reason why the Jews fell was THEIR disbelief (NOT God "making" them do it) - AND the Word states that IF they believe AGAIN, they can be reinstated as part of the olive tree. The choice is upon men, not God's intent on creating evil men. God is not the author of sin.

God desires all men to be saved. That all men are not is because men CHOOSE not to believe. See Romans 11. This is all over the place in Scriptures!

You are again misappropriating Scriptures down to the individual level. This says nothing about God reprobating individuals before their demerits.

Regards

9,352 posted on 10/18/2007 10:06:19 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: jo kus; blue-duncan
You are again misappropriating Scriptures down to the individual level. This says nothing about God reprobating individuals before their demerits.

Of course it does, but you continue to believe the Bible was written to a church and not to men and women of God's family.

"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" -- 1 Thessalonians 5:9

Does God appoint no man to wrath? Are all men appointed to obtain salvation?

"And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light" -- 1 Peter 2:8-9


9,401 posted on 10/18/2007 11:11:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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