C'mon, FK, now God,Who is a spirit, has a "face?" Are the Reformers really this literalistic and anthropomorphic and, frankly, childish in their reading of the Bible?
So, I wouldn't get too hung up on the face to face thing
Face to face means face to face, FK. This is not expressed as an allegory. This is where the incomplete revelation comes into play.
I thought we both already knew that can't be right just because of the Transfiguration
Apparitions are not necessarily real images. God could have caused the Apostles to "see" Moses and Elijah when none was there.
Matt 11:25-26 : 25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father , Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
So, the wisest and most learned among us are the ones in the dark? God is "anti-intellectual" I suppose.
C'mon, FK, now God, Who is a spirit, has a "face?" Are the Reformers really this literalistic and anthropomorphic and, frankly, childish in their reading of the Bible?
You were the one making an issue of the word "face", not me. I simply reported what the verse said. I know God is a spirit being, so this verse needs to be interpreted. My point was that I thought you were making a mountain out of a mole hill for focusing on the word in a literalistic sense. That's why I said to you "So, I wouldn't get too hung up on the face to face thing."
Face to face means face to face, FK. This is not expressed as an allegory. This is where the incomplete revelation comes into play.
I get it. You dismiss the majority of the OT. Message received already. I believe you. :) We, however, see it as God's Holy word.
Apparitions are not necessarily real images. God could have caused the Apostles to "see" Moses and Elijah when none was there.
So God was into holograms? :) It surprises me that one of your Twelve Great Feasts is dedicated to this, yet it sounds like the theology of what actually happened is not settled.
Matt 11:25-26 : 25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father , Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
So, the wisest and most learned among us are the ones in the dark? God is "anti-intellectual" I suppose.
I'm surprised you would argue with this. When you think of the world's intellectuals over the centuries, how many of them do you suppose were Christians? Not many, IMO, and this makes perfect sense. (Of course Christian intellectuals got a lot more ink early on, comparatively, but that is obviously no longer true today.) I liken it to the Biblical idea that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter Heaven. Rich men tend to love their money, and so have no room for God. Likewise, intellectuals tend to love their own intellects, and so have no room for God. Most of them are already their own gods. This would appear to match what Jesus is saying.