Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: Forest Keeper

If man was worthless, then I can’t imagine why God would have created him. We don’t say man is worthless.


With respect, sir, yes you do.

http://www.tulip.org/ccr/reformed.htm says that:

“While Calvinism holds that man is saved by unconditional and efficacious grace, Arminians teach conditional and resistable grace. Reformers taught that man was worthless and needed God’s Spirit to make them alive and give them faith, and that regeneration was limited to the elect...

Reformed churches today still work hard to hold to scriptural views regarding God’s greatness and man’s depravity...”


9,076 posted on 10/15/2007 6:37:11 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8991 | View Replies ]


To: MarkBsnr; jo kus; irishtenor; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; blue-duncan; kosta50
FK: "If man was worthless, then I can’t imagine why God would have created him. We don’t say man is worthless."

With respect, sir, yes you do. http://www.tulip.org/ccr/reformed.htm says that:

“While Calvinism holds that man is saved by unconditional and efficacious grace, Arminians teach conditional and resistable [sic] grace. Reformers taught that man was worthless and needed God’s Spirit to make them alive and give them faith, and that regeneration was limited to the elect... Reformed churches today still work hard to hold to scriptural views regarding God’s greatness and man’s depravity...”

You have found one unknown writer using the word "worthless" in a completely different context than I was. Here, the writer is clear that he or she is comparing to the Arminian belief that man has some innate "worth" that allows him to contribute to his own salvation. If we magically assign value or worth to such a supposed innate ability, then yes, under Reformed theology, man is WORTH LESS. I, OTOH, was talking about the worth of man himself to God. If we as beings were of no value to God, then He wouldn't have bothered to create us. You are mixing apples and oranges.

9,128 posted on 10/15/2007 6:58:22 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9076 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson