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To: Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; jo kus; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; HarleyD; wmfights; blue-duncan
The whole Bible is the full revelation, Kosta

Seen through the lens of the Gospels and the New Testament.

If we cut out an entire section, then we lose some of what God wants us to know about Him

No one is cutting anything out. Just shedding the Light Christ placed on it. So that we can see it through His words.

We can't just keep the parts that sound nice to us and throw away the rest

The Protestants should heed their own advice, FK, for the Apostles used the Septuagint and Apocrypha in their witness, and the Protestants rejected both.

That's fashioning the God you want, not the one Who is revealed to us

Our Savior appeared as anything we image the King of Kings would be like. He born by an unwed teen-age mother in a dark cave, with no one to help her, and uncertain what the future would bring (in her culture it was sure death by stoning). He was a poor, humble carpenter. That's not how we fashion and fancy our kings and important people. God showed us through Christ that our whole image of Him was warped. And His His words too.

9,012 posted on 10/14/2007 6:47:10 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper; Kolokotronis; jo kus; Dr. Eckleburg; irishtenor; HarleyD; wmfights

“Seen through the lens of the Gospels and the New Testament.”

You have no foundation for any truth about God, the scripture or the church for all was written by men and transcribed by men. By your standard there is no revelation since we can’t be sure what is written is what is true. Why waste time with religion since it is just supposition and for the credulous?

“There is no proof whatsoever that the vsere is meant for the Gentiles. Nor are we absolutely sure that this verse was there in the original, because we don’t have the original!”

“And knowing that multiple verses have been added by Christan scribes makes that possibility very real because it is exactly what was NEEDED to carry the Gospel to the Greek and save the Church from destruction in Israel. The Book of Acts attests to that (Acts 13:46).”


9,014 posted on 10/14/2007 9:00:41 AM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis; jo kus; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; HarleyD; wmfights; blue-duncan
FK: "If we cut out an entire section, then we lose some of what God wants us to know about Him."

No one is cutting anything out. Just shedding the Light Christ placed on it. So that we can see it through His words.

Of course you are forced to cut things out. You can't possibly reconcile much of the OT as written through the "lens" of the NT. How do you reconcile the following stories, each of which has God specifically killing or ordering execution? :

Lot's wife for looking back (Gen.19:26), Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" (Gen.38:7), Onan for spilling his seed (Gen.38:10), Pharaoh and 600 chariot captains (plus his entire army) (Ex.14:8-27), For sins around Aaron's golden calf (Ex.32:27-28), Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord (Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61), A blasphemer (Lev.24:10-23), A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath (Num.15:32-36), Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) (Num.16:27), Burned to death for offering incense (Num.16:35, 26:10), For complaining (Num.16:49), For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" (Num.25:9), Midianite massacre (Num.31:1-35), God tells Joshua to stone to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. (Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26), God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). (Joshua 6, 8:1-25),

[continuing:] Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees (Joshua 10:24-26), God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites (Judges 1:4), Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly (Jg.3:15-22), God delivered Moabites (Jg.3:28-29), God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. (Jg.7:2-22, 8:10), The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson (Jg.14:19), The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson (Jg.15:14-15), Samson's God-assisted act (Jg.16:27-30), "The Lord smote Benjamin" (Jg.20:35-37), More Benjamites (Jg.20:44-46) For looking into the ark of the Lord (1 Sam.6:19), God delivered Philistines (1 Sam.14:12), Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death (1 Sam.15:32-33), "The Lord smote Nabal." (1 Sam.25:38), Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling (2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10), David and Bathsheba's baby boy (2 Sam.12:14-18), Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord (2 Sam.21:6-9),

[continuing:] From plague as punishment for David's census (2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7), A prophet for believing another prophet's lie (1 Kg.13:1-24), God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands (1 Kg.20:28-29), God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers (1 Kg.20:30), God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet (1 Kg.20:35-36), Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. (2 Kg.1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9), Burned to death by God (2 Kg.1:9-12), God sends two bears to maul children for making fun of Elisha's bald head (2 Kg.2:23-24), Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah (2 Kg.7:17-20), Jezebel (2 Kg.9:33-37), God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners (2 Kg.17:25-26), Sleeping Assyrian soldiers (2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36), Saul (1 Chr.10:14), God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah (2 Chr.13:15-17), Jeroboam (2 Chr.13:20), "The Lord smote the Ethiopians." (2 Chr.14:9-14), God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out (2 Chr.21:14-19), Ezekiel's wife (Ezek.24:15-18), Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-10), Herod (Acts 12:23).

Obviously, these are not just a couple of stories that can be interpreted away (notice that two of them are from the NT). These stories tell us about a part of God that is either real or not. If God would never do any of this, then we must disregard ALL of it. That is untenable to me.

9,026 posted on 10/14/2007 1:09:49 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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