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To: D-fendr

Let’s see if I can once again muddle things up:

God has will.
Natural man has the will to sin or not sin.
Saved man has the will to sin, not sin, or do good works.

Natural man does not have the will to choose God.
Natural man does not have the ability to obey God.
Natural man is dead to God, and must be resurrected by God in order to have faith.
Once that happens, natural man has been transformed into saved man.


8,354 posted on 10/05/2007 4:14:22 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: irishtenor

Muddle me up, you did. :)

First I should say your use of “natural” man is a bit different, but..

“Natural man has the will to sin or not sin.” I don’t get your meaning here. Are you saying he has free will choices that include whether to sin or not sin?


8,355 posted on 10/05/2007 4:22:14 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: irishtenor

“Natural man has the will to sin or not sin.”

Or are you saying he has EITHER the will to sin OR the will not sin?

Different wills in different men in other words.


8,356 posted on 10/05/2007 4:30:47 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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