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To: Alamo-Girl
Some people reject the insight from science back in the 1960's that the universe is expanding and thus there was a beginning of real space and time, i.e. the big bang.

It is fascinating to observe the scientists scrambling since the 1960's to obviate the necessity of God the Creator ex nihilo. They could justify being atheist as long as they could appeal to an infinite past, i.e. the plentitude argument – anything that can happen, did.

But none of the cosmologies – big bang, multi-world, multi-verse, ekpyrotic, cyclic, hesitating, imaginary time – none of them – can obviate God because every single one them rely on geometry (space/time) for physical causation.

That's fascinating and so true. A mad and frantic scramble to attribute existence to anything but the Triune God.

That is also why 7 equivalent earth days at the inception space/time coordinates is roughly equal to 15 billion years at our earthy space/time coordinates.

You've probably said this before, but I've missed it. How does seven days equal 15 billion years (which sounds like a really helpful reference to have on hand.) 8~)

Are you saying the enormity of the distance and speed from the point (and event) of creation magnifies the amount of perceived time on earth?

8,340 posted on 10/05/2007 2:36:05 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thank you so much for your always insightful posts!

That's fascinating and so true. A mad and frantic scramble to attribute existence to anything but the Triune God.

Indeed. Science proceeds under "methodological naturalism" - trying to keep itself agnostic wrt God. And here, it cannot - despite all of its efforts to do so.

More disturbing though are those scientists who promote atheism under the color of science:

The Unraveling of Scientific Materialism (quoting Lewontin)

"We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything. To appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen."

You also asked:

You've probably said this before, but I've missed it. How does seven days equal 15 billion years (which sounds like a really helpful reference to have on hand.) 8~)

Here's an article by Jewish Physicist Gerald Schroeder on The Age of the Universe that explains it, relating physics/cosmology to Genesis 1.

Are you saying the enormity of the distance and speed from the point (and event) of creation magnifies the amount of perceived time on earth?

The best way to visualize it, IMHO, is in contemplating starlight. The light you are seeing in the night sky may be from a star long since dead.

Or to put it another way, a star may have sent a photon when it was merely a billion light years away from earth - but it has taken eleven billion light years to reach us. The reason it travels so far - takes so long - is that the universe itself is expanding (space/time.)

The above article explains it using the photon example as well. If God were to send a photon to us from the first Day of Creation, it would take 8 billion light years to reach us, etc.

The magnitude is intelligible by math: Powers of 10

But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. - Matt 10:30

Praise God!!!

8,404 posted on 10/05/2007 11:38:47 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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