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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Lord_Calvinus; irishtenor; ...
DR> E: Does the Holy Spirit move and work within time?

KOSTA: God intercedes within time

Thanks. I'll take that as a "yes" to my question since as you've just stated that God not only works outside of time, but inside time, too.

...but He is unaffected by it. He cannot be defined in terms of time or space.

I agree generally, but we can and do say "God is limitless" which does have a "sense" of space within the concept.

Alamo-Girl's original statement which you challenged was "There was a beginning of time and a beginning of space."

She is correct. God is not constrained by time, but God did create time and there was a beginning of time, before which, God was.

And as you've agreed, God, the Holy Spirit, works in time.

Is that progress, or what?

8,332 posted on 10/05/2007 1:08:35 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; HarleyD; wmfights; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; Lord_Calvinus; ...

Kosta: God intercedes within time

Dr. E: Thanks. I'll take that as a "yes" to my question since as you've just stated that God not only works outside of time, but inside time, too

God intercedes in time but He is (exists) outside of time.

Kosta: ...but He is unaffected by it. He cannot be defined in terms of time or space.

Dr. E: I agree generally, but we can and do say "God is limitless" which does have a "sense" of space within the concept

Limits are His creation. I do not agree that He can be "defined" in terms of His creation. Only by denial of His creation, unlimited, uncircumscribed, etc.

They don't give a "sense" of space and limits. Space is meaningless in terms of God.

Alamo-Girl's original statement which you challenged was "There was a beginning of time and a beginning of space."

Alamo-Girl's statement to which I reacted was that eternity is defined in terms of space and time. Knowing that God is eternity, this is a contradiction. God, who is Eternity, cannot be described in terms of space and time.

Eternity cannot have a beginning. Also, creation of space and time is not mutually exclusive of God. He pre-existed time, space and the beginning of both. Neither can eternity be defined in terms of beginning, space or time. The Creation is finite, bound by space and time.

I didn't get the same thing form A-G's post as you did.  The fault could be mine, but it could be hers too.

And as you've agreed, God, the Holy Spirit, works in time. Is that progress, or what?

God's direct intercession in time is manifested by His Incarnation. In the OT God intercedes through angels who, by definition, are also limited (circumscribed) creatures. But God, in His essence, is always outside of time and not limited by space.

 

8,399 posted on 10/05/2007 8:17:26 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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