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To: D-fendr; suzyjaruki; blue-duncan; irishtenor; 1000 silverlings; P-Marlowe; xzins; HarleyD; ...
It's your tone and manner

You have asked me questions for months and I have tried to answer every one of them.

For some reason, today you can't or won't give your opinion on a single, seven-word verse of Scripture, and you blame that on my "tone and manner?"

Obviously the clear meaning of that verse contradicts what you've been arguing in support of all day long.

And for your inability, you criticize me.

I like to discuss with those who try to be honest, explain what they mean, speak for themselves, and not try to find some way to hide a dagger, twist a word, misrepresent someone else's beliefs, or seek to win some kind of debate points.

"Hide a dagger?" Maybe it's the hour and you need rest. All I asked was one polite question after answering HUNDREDS of your questions.

Some of us have read up on the Jesuitical method of debate, D. Some of us recognize your tactics of discussion -- ask as many questions as possible to keep people on the defensive.

Well, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. It doesn't work when people actually take the time to formulate a response and offer it.

Maybe you want us to understand you only ask the questions and refrain from answering any that are posed to you.

How honest is that?

Whenever you get around to it, I'd be interested in your opinion of whether or not Paul was correct when he wrote: "Whatsoever is not of faith is sin."

Thanks in advance for your kind and reciprocal answer.

8,224 posted on 10/04/2007 12:15:05 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; D-fendr

Why don’t we look at this partial verse in the context in which it was written. Context, context, context. You guys really need the Magisterium much more than you realize.

Paul is writing about how people ought to live in their community.

Rom 14:

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Then let us no longer judge one another, but rather resolve never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
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I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; still, it is unclean for someone who thinks it unclean.
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If your brother is being hurt by what you eat, your conduct is no longer in accord with love. Do not because of your food destroy him for whom Christ died.
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So do not let your good be reviled.
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For the kingdom of God is not a matter of food and drink, but of righteousness, peace, and joy in the holy Spirit;
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whoever serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by others.
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Let us 4 then pursue what leads to peace and to building up one another.
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For the sake of food, do not destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to become a stumbling block by eating;
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it is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.
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Keep the faith (that) you have to yourself in the presence of God; blessed is the one who does not condemn himself for what he approves.
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But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because this is not from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin. 5


5 [23] Whatever is not from faith is sin: Paul does not mean that all the actions of unbelievers are sinful. He addresses himself to the question of intracommunity living. Sin in the singular is the dreadful power described in Romans 5:12-14.


8,243 posted on 10/04/2007 5:45:46 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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