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To: suzyjaruki
“Whew, I’m sure glad St.Calvin believed in free will or you might have called him un-christian.”

The mere thought of you calling Calvin a saint turns my stomach.

...And yes I do think of Calvin as un-Christian.

The devil is clever and cunning. He does not always show himself as the Hitler’s of the world. He also works through the John Calvin’s of the world

Calvin was guided by the devil in denying the true presence of Christ in Eucharist -Body ,Blood Soul and Divinity.

Even Luther was horrified by Calvin’s total depravity and the lengths he took it to.

The fact that Calvin would take total depravity to mean that man is so dreadful that Christ would never give us His true presence in Eucharist is the work of the devil.

John Calvin has robbed many Christians of Faith in the Blessed Sacrament

EVERY SINGLE EARLY CHURCH FATHER AND SAINT believed in Christ truly present-Body Blood Soul and Divinity in the Blessed Sacrament(there is NOT a single exception!)

This went virtually unchallenged for over 1500 plus years.

I view John Calvin as a “type” of anti-Christ.

8,148 posted on 10/03/2007 6:07:26 PM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi
John Calvin has robbed many Christians of Faith in the Blessed Sacrament

Yes and showed them the way to Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ instead of the sign.

8,150 posted on 10/03/2007 6:09:57 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: stfassisi

***He also works through the John Calvin’s of the world***

I say that the devil works through all the Popes of the world. The thought of calling a Pope a saint turns my stomach.

You have opinions, so do I.


8,153 posted on 10/03/2007 6:19:05 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: stfassisi; suzyjaruki; blue-duncan
The mere thought of you calling Calvin a saint turns my stomach.

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Even Luther was horrified by Calvin's total depravity and the lengths he took it to.

Proof for that absurd remark?

The fact that Calvin would take total depravity to mean that man is so dreadful that Christ would never give us His true presence in Eucharist is the work of the devil.

The Scriptural truth that since the fall all men are fallen and incapable of saving themselves is NOT what Calvin ever said was the reason for his correct assessment that the RC mass is blasphemy because it seeks to sacrifice Christ again and again and again. Read Hebrews 10. Christ's flock HAVE BEEN forgiven.

"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified." -- Hebrews 10:12-14


8,177 posted on 10/03/2007 7:04:08 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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