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To: jo kus; suzyjaruki; Alamo-Girl; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; irishtenor; Forest Keeper; Athena1; xzins; ...
One of the greatest minds of the Church, Thomas Aquinas, had a vision of God near the end of his life. After this, he made the statement that all of his previous writings were as straw. It is a fairly universal tradition of the mystics of the Church, Catholic and Orthodox, that God is found in the "cloud of unknowing".

God is found in the "cloud of unknowing?"

If that were true, we'd have no hope of finding Him anywhere since this "cloud" they speak of is nowhere in God's word.

In fact, it's the antithesis of God's word and the power of God to rebirth our dead hearts to His living word. Thankfully, God did give us the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit to guide us in "all truth."

I pity those mystics who have not been given eyes to see this.

We come to true knowledge of God through experiencing Him in prayer, not by reading about Him in the Bible...

That is just plain sad. But perhaps it explains why the RCC and EO are so "cloud-like" and ill-defined in their beliefs. They ignore the clear words of the Bible and instead follow "mystics" into some "cloud" of their own choosing.

But the word of God and the power of God are stronger than any atmospheric condensation...

"By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament." -- Hebrews 7:22

THE INSPIRATION OF SCRIPTURE

"...The essential point to be grasped is that when men wrote the Scriptures, their statements did not originate in their own thinking, but were put into their minds by the direct action of the Holy Spirit. They wrote the word of God in the sense that they wrote words that came directly from God. This is what the Westminster Confession means when it says that the original text of the Bible was "immediately inspired by God" (1.8).

Thus, when Paul wrote, for example, "I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart" (Rom. 9:2), he was certainly expressing his own feelings, yet his desire to express that sorrow, and the words with which he expressed it, and perhaps also the sorrow itself, were put into his heart by the Holy Spirit.

Consider another example, that of Jesus' disciples who would be taken before rulers to give an account of their faith. Jesus told them not to think about what they would say, but rather to "say whatever is given you in that hour; for it is not you who speak, but it is the Holy Spirit" (Mark 13:11). Here Jesus explains what inspiration involves. When an inspired speaker or writer says something, even if it is first-person testimony, it is not he who is speaking, but God. Now of course the person is speaking in the sense that he expresses thoughts that are in his mind, but he is not speaking in the more important sense that those thoughts were formulated by him. The inspired speaker or writer utters only words put directly into his mind by the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:4).

In 2 Peter 1:21, Peter explicitly denies that the Scriptures were written "by an act of human will." The motivation to write Scripture came rather from the Holy Spirit, as we have seen. Scripture originated when "men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." That is, the Spirit impelled them to write, and they wrote only words that came from God. There is disagreement as to what verse 20 means, but in my judgment it refers to the writer's interpretation of his subject matter: "No passage of Scripture expresses one's own [i.e., the writer's] interpretation," since the impulse to write comes from the Holy Spirit, not the writer's will (vs. 21)...


8,079 posted on 10/03/2007 2:23:43 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50
In fact, it's the antithesis of God's word and the power of God to rebirth our dead hearts to His living word. Thankfully, God did give us the Scriptures and the Holy Spirit to guide us in "all truth." I pity those mystics who have not been given eyes to see this.

God is mediated through the Scriptures, but that is not His essence. No one can see God and live. To see is to know. Do you think that the Bible is God??? This question keeps coming up - and I am beginning to think that some Protestants, perhaps subliminally, worship the Bible...

You know ABOUT God. To know God is through experiencing Him through prayer. Then, we learn that we are really ignorant about God HIMSELF. The human mind that claims to "know" God as you is actually lowering God to a creation and worshiping this creation. We cannot comprehend the transcendant, the infinite. Those who claim to are ignorant about their ignorance.

But the word of God and the power of God are stronger than any atmospheric condensation...

God's words are not God. Again, you are merely showing that you are worshiping the bible, rather than God. And regarding inspiration, even that is not God.

Keep looking.

Regards

8,129 posted on 10/03/2007 4:59:18 PM PDT by jo kus
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