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To: suzyjaruki

So under Calvinism, there are no virtuous pagans? Since either man is elect and Heaven bound, or non elect and hell bound, does that mean that all non elect are equally sinful?

All man wishes to do is to sin, so therefore all he does is sin? Are there different levels of sin? Does totally depraved man crave only totally depraved sin?


8,069 posted on 10/03/2007 1:34:20 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr
So many questions, so little time. Let's start with this one: So under Calvinism, there are no virtuous pagans? If the measure is man, then yes; if the measure is God, then no.
8,073 posted on 10/03/2007 2:00:58 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: MarkBsnr
Since either man is elect and Heaven bound, or non elect and hell bound, does that mean that all non elect are equally sinful?

Don't the elect still sin?

We do not all sin in the same way, nor in the same degree, but we all sin.

8,078 posted on 10/03/2007 2:13:11 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: MarkBsnr
All man wishes to do is to sin, so therefore all he does is sin? Are there different levels of sin? Does totally depraved man crave only totally depraved sin?

I think giving you a definition of Total Depravity will answer these questions.

IN the Westminster Confession the doctrine of Total Inability is stated as follows: — “Man, by his fall Into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.”l

8,081 posted on 10/03/2007 2:25:21 PM PDT by suzyjaruki (Why?)
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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD; suzyjaruki
So under Calvinism, there are no virtuous pagans?

Do you believe "whatsoever is not of faith is sin?"

Or is Paul wrong in Romans?

8,083 posted on 10/03/2007 2:31:15 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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