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To: Dr. Eckleburg

“Which central beliefs has the EO promulgated better than the RCC? (And does Ratzinger know about this?)”

The Orthodox have much better held onto the order of the Mass; the orientation of the priest and the demeanour of the celebration of Mass; we Latins have made it more casual, bringing more laity into what should be the desmaine of the ordained, for example.

And yes, Pope Benedict XVI knows about all this; it is one of the reasons for returning to the Tridentine Mass, Eckleburg.

Our beliefs in original sin and hell are aligned.


7,975 posted on 10/02/2007 9:49:45 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; kosta50; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Alex Murphy; 1000 silverlings; suzyjaruki; xzins; ...
Our beliefs in original sin and hell are aligned.

Then it must be the beliefs of you and Kosta that aren't aligned, since Kosta said (please correct me if I'm wrong, Kosta) that he does not believe in the Scriptural definition of hell nor original sin.

Maybe Kosta could define for us again his understanding of hell and original sin so we can see if it lines up with the RCC.

7,976 posted on 10/02/2007 10:05:25 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr; Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50
Our beliefs in original sin and hell are aligned.

Wow, that's interesting...

I would refer you to the Orthodox websites contrasting the Orthodox and Roman Catholic views on original sin and hell. The Roman Catholics are simply moving away from their doctrine to a more Orthodox position on original sin. The Orthodox does not see people as tainted whereas the Catholics do. You can't be both.

I would also call kosta attention to the Orthodox position. I believe Dr. Eckleburg stated that the Orthodox do not believe in hell. For all practical purposes, she is correct. The Orthodox look at hell as simply a place people go to be refined for heaven. Hence, presumably no one really stays in hell. This is somewhat similar to the Catholic view of purgatory but in the Catholic view, unlike the Orthodox view, there are some who never leave.

8,001 posted on 10/02/2007 4:28:20 PM PDT by HarleyD
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