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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; xzins; suzyjaruki; irishtenor; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper
the idea that people are initially programmed to hell because they are attracted to it; then the Holy Spirit hops into the scene and reprograms the individual to now be attracted to God.

Your use of the word "programmed" is certainly biased; a better word choice would be "ordained by God."

Do you think people by nature are attracted to sin?

Biblical Christianity teaches that all men's natures were negatively impacted after the fall and thus no man is righteous.

"What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." -- Romans 3:9-12

All men are fallen and incapable of doing good. Paul even anticipates your pointing fingers at someone else when he admonishes, "are we better than they? No, in no wise."

For Scriptural proof of regeneration, the New Testament as well as the Old are filled with the knowledge of it for those with ears to hear and eyes to see.

"A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh." -- Ezekiel 36:26


"Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost" -- Titus 3:5


"That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit" -- John 3:6-8.

It appears you marvel.

I was also curious about any Scriptural support for that idea.

LOL. You've been given nothing BUT Scriptural support for this entire thread. I guess it's a good sign when you seek it. Just open your eyes. (And perhaps after that you might get around to giving some Scriptural support for your own musings.)

7,896 posted on 10/01/2007 4:13:45 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

***LOL. You’ve been given nothing BUT Scriptural support for this entire thread.***

No, he wants REAL scripture, from Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. Not those OTHER guys.


7,900 posted on 10/01/2007 4:24:15 PM PDT by irishtenor (Presbyterianism is pure Christianity.)
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Dr. E.

Most of the Scriptural support of Reformed view in this thread has been oblique at best. The Gospels have been shown over and over to speak to substantial differences in the Reformed view.

With that said, do you claim that those who land in hell like it? Are they pleased by it? Do they experience pleasure?

That is the question on the table.


7,916 posted on 10/01/2007 5:27:00 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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