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To: Kolokotronis; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; Frumanchu
The consensus patrum does not teach that the “elect” will always persevere. But then again, the Fathers’ notions of “election” were rather different from those of Calvin or even Augustine.

Perseverence, Kolo, assumes a couple of things.

First, we must decide if we believe in regeneration or rehabilitation.

Second, we must decide if God is fickle or decisive.

If we assent to regeneration and decisive, then we must come something close to a Calvinist understanding of perseverence.

7,841 posted on 10/01/2007 9:32:36 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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To: xzins; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; Frumanchu

” First, we must decide if we believe in regeneration or rehabilitation.

Second, we must decide if God is fickle or decisive.

If we assent to regeneration and decisive, then we must come something close to a Calvinist understanding of perseverence.”

Not at all, if we believe that God’s grace falls on the wicked and the good equally, Padre. In great part, Padre, this is why so many Orthodox councils have anathemized Calvinism.


7,843 posted on 10/01/2007 10:26:34 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: xzins; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; Frumanchu; P-Marlowe; suzyjaruki; wmfights; ...
Perseverence, Kolo, assumes a couple of things.

First, we must decide if we believe in regeneration or rehabilitation.

Second, we must decide if God is fickle or decisive.

If we assent to regeneration and decisive, then we must come something close to a Calvinist understanding of perseverence.

Amen, x!

"He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail." -- 1 Samuel 2:9

7,877 posted on 10/01/2007 2:10:07 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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