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To: HarleyD

No, no, no.

We allowed the Reformation to occur. Our fault.

We especially in the West in the 19th and 20th centuries began the Protestantization of the Church’s culture, which ultimately led to Vatican II, which, combined with the Wiccan nuns and the revolutionary theologists, led to the disastrous aftermath. Our fault again.

You guys are blameless. At least in that regard. :)


7,233 posted on 09/26/2007 9:04:40 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg
"We" allowed the Reformation to occur. Our fault

God makes Christian martyrs, not you, sorry

7,235 posted on 09/26/2007 9:13:26 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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To: MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; HarleyD; Forest Keeper; wmfights; P-Marlowe; suzyjaruki; xzins; ...
We allowed the Reformation to occur. Our fault.

lol.

Nope. It was by the gracious hand of God who loves His church and keeps it safe amid the turmoils men foist upon it...

THE NECESSITY OF REFORMING THE CHURCH

"...the restoration of the church is the work of God, and no more depends on the hopes and opinions of men, than the resurrection of the dead, or any other miracle of that description. Here, therefore, we are not to wait for facility of action, either from the will of men, or the temper of the times, but must rush forward through the midst of despair. It is the will of our Master that his gospel be preached. Let us obey his command, and follow whithersoever he calls. What the success will be it is not ours to inquire. Our only duty is to wish for what is best, and beseech it of the Lord in prayer; to strive with all zeal, solicitude, and diligence, to bring about the desired result, and, at the same time, to submit with patience to whatever that result may be." -- John Calvin

7,237 posted on 09/26/2007 9:52:48 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: MarkBsnr
We allowed the Reformation to occur. Our fault.

Some would say we allowed the Catholic Church to occur. Our fault. :O)

I guess it's perspective.

7,240 posted on 09/26/2007 10:01:43 AM PDT by HarleyD
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