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To: kosta50; Alamo-Girl; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; 1000 silverlings; Frumanchu; ..
Or do you kind of "know" (there goes that gnosis again)

Kosta, you continually try to equate all "knowing" with "gnosticism." And that is a mistake.

"The entrance of thy words giveth light; it giveth understanding unto the simple." -- Psalm 119:130


"Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more." -- Hebrews 10:15-17

Christian "knowing" is God-given through Scripture; discerned via the work of the Holy Spirit; confirmed by a right-division of God's word through a presbytery of like-minded believers; and stands or falls in evidence by its fruits.

A gnostic "knowing" floats in the ether and attaches to it no evidence nor consensus.

A Christian "knowing" created capitalism and prosperity throughout the world. What have the Greeks produced but a lot of question marks and an erroneous belief in a dispassionate, distant God?

6,076 posted on 09/12/2007 11:47:30 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Alamo-Girl; Forest Keeper; blue-duncan; HarleyD; P-Marlowe; 1000 silverlings; ...
Kosta, you continually try to equate all "knowing" with "gnosticism." And that is a mistake

I disagree. What we know may be from God, but we don't know. We may think we know, but none has God's caller ID that he or she can show.

saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them

But we also know that we don't know from the heart, do we? It's a figure of speech as much as writing is. The "heart" in the bible is a concept associated with feelings, notions, hunches, etc. Somehow we intrinsically "know" that mercy is good (because we want mercy for ourselves); even the animals know what "feels good" without understanding why.

What have the Greeks produced but a lot of question marks and an erroneous belief in a dispassionate, distant God?

God is distant but He is not impersonal. God is a mystery. We can think of Him as passionate, and physical, and emotional, but even your own Westminster Confession expresses the ancient Christian truth that He is simple, indivisible, unchanging, complete, lacking in nothing, and passionless.

6,111 posted on 09/12/2007 7:52:21 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Christian "knowing" is God-given through Scripture; discerned via the work of the Holy Spirit; confirmed by a right-division of God's word through a presbytery of like-minded believers; and stands or falls in evidence by its fruits.

So very true!

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. - Matt 7:15-20

But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. - Gal 5:22-23

I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. - John 15:1-5

To God be the glory!


6,119 posted on 09/12/2007 9:54:45 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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