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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50; D-fendr; blue-duncan; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; HarleyD; suzyjaruki; ...
Great post, FK. We can add the following verses to your correct and Scriptural understanding that it is God who creates men, families, lives, eternity and everything contained therein...

"Seeing his days are determined, the number of his months are with thee, thou hast appointed his bounds that he cannot pass" -- Job 14:5


"Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them." -- Psalm 139:16

And if Job's testimony and the Psalms aren't enough, we have the NT echoing the OT...

"And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation" -- Acts 17:26

God is the author and maker of every life.

Amen.

"Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.

Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him." -- Isaiah 43:4-7

KOSTA: God could be completely dispassionate as regards our stay here. In fact, the eastern Church teaches that God is indeed dispassionate when it comes to mankind.

Kosta, how is it the EO disregards so much clear Scripture? I just don't recognize this dispassionate, impersonal, stoic, impotent God who sort of creates and then steps aside to watch how it all plays out. That's not the God the Bible reveals.

God is impartial to the works of all men because all men are equally fallen. But God is not impartial to His children whom He has named, numbered and called to Him.

"Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one." -- Job 14:4

Thus, all the righteous works of men mean nothing. It is only the righteousness of Christ that is good in the eyes of God, imputed to those whom God has chosen as His children, according to His own purpose.

That's what we thank God for. That's where our gratitude lies -- not for our own abilities but for God's grace through Christ alone.

"And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly." -- Romans 5:5-6

In these two short verses we have a total repudiation of your earlier point -- 1) God's love is given to us by the Holy Ghost

2) We are redeemed not after and because we have become righteous through our works or done anything to merit our salvation, but while we are still "without strength" Christ dies for the "ungodly."

"But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)" -- Ephesians 2:4-5

I just noticed for the first time that Ephesians 2:4-5 is a total repetition of Romans 5:5-6.

Almost as if God planned it that way.

6,066 posted on 09/12/2007 10:01:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; kosta50; D-fendr; blue-duncan; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; HarleyD
Thank you so very much for your wonderful post and all of those beautiful Scriptures!

But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away. – Isaiah 64:6

To God be the glory!

6,069 posted on 09/12/2007 10:37:20 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; kosta50; D-fendr; blue-duncan; MarkBsnr; irishtenor; HarleyD; suzyjaruki; ...
Excellent post, Dr. E. Thank you for the wonderful scripture. I know I never find everything, so I love it when you fill in the gaps. :)
6,199 posted on 09/13/2007 8:27:37 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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