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To: fortheDeclaration; kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper
I'd say no, God is not prideful nor subject to passions.

Bear in mind these are somewhat terms of art in the theology. It flows from the attributes of God as immutable, unchanging, etc.

For explanation of the Orthodox view, here's some excerpts from "An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith" by St John Damascene:

Concerning the Holy Trinity.
We believe, then, in One God, one beginning, having no beginning, uncreate, unbegotten, imperishable and immortal, everlasting, infinite, uncircumscribed, boundless, of infinite power, simple, uncompound, incorporeal, without flux, passionless, unchangeable, unalterable, unseen, the fountain of goodness and justice, the light of the mind…

How could that be immutable which is circumscribed and subject to passion? And how could that be passionless which is composed of elements and is resolved again into them? For combination is the beginning of conflict, and conflict of separation, and separation of dissolution, and dissolution is altogether foreign to God…

Wherefore in God, Who alone is passionless and unalterable, and immutable, and ever so continueth, both begetting and creating are passionless. For being by nature passionless and not liable to flux, since He is simple and uncompound, He is not subject to passion or flux either in begetting or in creating, nor has He need of any co-operation…

He is passionless and incorporeal: independent of the union of two again because He is incorporeal but also because He is the one and only God, and stands in need of no co-operation: and without end or cessation because He is without beginning, or time, or end, and ever continues the same.

Therefore, theologically, disagreement over passion in this sense would involve disagreement with the other attributes as well or the logic of the theology it derives from.

thanks for your reply.

5,953 posted on 09/11/2007 7:07:29 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
Good choice. One can usually find any answer in St. John Damascene's work. Philokalia is, of course, also full of topics involving passion and a dispassionate God—something that has been known to Christianity, both east and west, from the arliest days. Protestant reactions, on the other hand, only remind me how un-recognizable they are. An oxymoron, like domestic aliens.
5,964 posted on 09/11/2007 7:56:52 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: D-fendr
I'd say no, God is not prideful nor subject to passions. Bear in mind these are somewhat terms of art in the theology. It flows from the attributes of God as immutable, unchanging, etc....Therefore, theologically, disagreement over passion in this sense would involve disagreement with the other attributes as well or the logic of the theology it derives from.

Actually, the failure comes in not understanding the nature of passions.

God is not subject to passions, because God is always in control of passions.

God's passions are always controlled by His other attributes, so they respond accordingly.

A passionless God would be a loveless God, which is the opposite of what the Scripture states God is.

Passion is a problem in man because he allows sinful thoughts to control them.

But when the Holy Spirit controls the man, then the passions that are produced are Divine Like, Love, Joy, Peace, Longsuffering, gentleness goodness, meekness, faith, temperance.

Immutability does not move that God is either immovable or unfeeling, only that He never contradicts or violates any of His perfect attributes.

Thus, God's feelings are always perfect as well.

A God without passion (feeling) is not the God of the Bible.

6,012 posted on 09/11/2007 10:47:20 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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