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To: kosta50; Dr. Eckleburg; betty boop; P-Marlowe; xzins; wmfights; irishtenor; blue-duncan; ...
And saying "I know Christ and you don't" is no proof, even if it's true.

Knowing Christ is the only proof a person will ever need.

Think about it: what is proof? If it is sufficient to make you believe, then it's Gnostic. If you can't prove it to others, why are you trying? If it is something one must experience, then preaching and text-proofing will prove nothin'.

It is God's will that His words be sown (parable of the sower.) It is not His will to satisfy the demand for signs or wisdom (reason) - both of which are "proofs."

For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. – I Corinthians 1:19-25

You continued:

So, what's the point? You have already stated that you have known Christ for the last five decades. Fine. But why are you repeating it? This is like saying "My screen name is Alamo-Girl." is endless repetition going to prove it's true?

Jeepers, kosta50, Christ made the blind to see and they couldn’t stop talking about what a miracle He did for them.

Even more so I cannot be silent when Christ has worked a far greater miracle in me.

That which cannot be proven to others is no proof. It's Gnosticism.

Passers-by demanded proofs of Christ:

And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest [it] in three days, Save thyself, and come down from the cross. Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save. Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him. – Mark 15:29-32

They had no idea the miracle was taking place before their eyes.

And if the people demand proofs of the master, we the servants should expect the same treatment.

The disciple is not above [his] master, nor the servant above his lord. It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more [shall they call] them of his household? Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. – Matthew 10:24-26

Maranatha, Jesus!

3,714 posted on 08/22/2007 9:57:43 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; kosta50
k50 - So, what's the point? You have already stated that you have known Christ for the last five decades. Fine. But why are you repeating it? This is like saying "My screen name is Alamo-Girl." is endless repetition going to prove it's true?

A-G - Jeepers, kosta50, Christ made the blind to see and they couldn’t stop talking about what a miracle He did for them.

Even more so I cannot be silent when Christ has worked a far greater miracle in me.

Amen. Psalm 145:4-7, 10-12

One generation shall praise thy works to another, and shall declare thy mighty acts.

I will speak of the glorious honour of thy majesty, and of thy wondrous works.

And men shall speak of the might of thy terrible acts: and I will declare thy greatness.

They shall abundantly utter the memory of thy great goodness, and shall sing of thy righteousness.

All thy works shall praise thee, O LORD; and thy saints shall bless thee.

They shall speak of the glory of thy kingdom, and talk of thy power;

To make known to the sons of men his mighty acts, and the glorious majesty of his kingdom!

3,747 posted on 08/23/2007 1:58:03 AM PDT by .30Carbine
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To: Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; MarkBsnr; Cronos; Petronski; D-fendr; betty boop; P-Marlowe; xzins; ...
Knowing Christ is the only proof a person will ever need

Personally, yes, but that's not a "proof." It's a conviction based on experience, and we know that personal experience can be a fallacy.

Appealing to "inner reality" as outer proof is like confusing dreams with wakefulness. It borders on pathology, even psychosis.

It is God's will that His words be sown (parable of the sower.) It is not His will to satisfy the demand for signs or wisdom (reason) - both of which are "proofs Funny that +Paul should re-write the history of God, who used signs and miracles to convince people He was really God!

But, apparently, even His apostles didn't fully believe until they saw and recognized the Resurrected Christ. Even though Peter said "Though art the Son of the living God," he still betrayed Him, and the rest scattered like a bunch of scared little rabbits (save for John).

And wasn't Paul alleged conversion on the way to Damascus a 'miracle' and a 'sign'?

It so easy to just cut out that part with which you disagree and find verses that support your view. Anyone can do that. It's self-serving, A-G, and that's why text-proofing is no proof at all. It all defaults to me-me-me, my experience, my inner knowledge, my reality...solipsism, self-worship, Gnosticism, maybe even worse.

Jeepers, kosta50, Christ made the blind to see and they couldn’t stop talking about what a miracle He did for them.

If they were so convincing, then why did Israel reject Christ? If Peter's shadow could cure the sick, why would the Church fail in Israel. If the Church was to fail in Israel, why did Christ commission his disciples not to go to the Gentiles or Samaritans, but only tot he 12 tribes of Israel?

Why does Paul tell the Jews that they were obliged to preach to them first but now, seeing that they didn't hear the word, the apostles will turn to the Gentiles? (no kidding, where else?) What was the purpose of preaching to the Jews knowing they would not buy into it?

Passers-by demanded proofs of Christ

That's because people believe God is in control! They were applying human logic to God! They were judging God by human standards of control and human justice. No one could imagine that God is gentle and humble. The Reformed don't believe it to this day. They expect a partial tyrant, benevolent to some, and damning to others.

3,795 posted on 08/23/2007 6:45:21 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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